Hainanensis or Lichtenfelderii?

[Animal34343]

Here is my pair. Can anyone tell the difference between the two species? They were originally wild caught.
Male:

Female:

 

[crestedtimm]

By my gut, Im going hainanensis based on the fact that the nuchal loop continues to the snout, and based on the snout length. I will try to remember to check my book over the weekend and get back to you.

Jacob, based on your affinity with Goniurosaurus, Im thinking you need the Eyelash gecko book, by Seufner and Verlag,

Timmm

 

[Animal34343]

By my gut, Im going hainanensis based on the fact that the nuchal loop continues to the snout, and based on the snout length. I will try to remember to check my book over the weekend and get back to you.

Jacob, based on your affinity with Goniurosaurus, Im thinking you need the Eyelash gecko book, by Seufner and Verlag,

Timmm

I've already got it. It says the only difference is the number of eyelid fringe scales and that the back of hainanensis has more tubercles. I thought I remember reading that lichtenfelderii was less common and most of the wc's were hainanensis.

 

[R.E.F]

I will also say that is looks more like Goniurosaurus hainanensis.

 

[dartfrog]

Hey,

You´re right most of the animals are hainanensis cb or wc.
So I´am quite sure that you´ve got some hainanensis.
Here in Germany it`s not so hard to get some true lichtenfelderi.
They´re only a bit more expensive then the hainanensis.
But I guess it isn´t so easy in the USA.


Best Regards
André

 

[cindy]

Hi Andre,

I see that you own two G. yamashinea. Could you please post a picture off them, cause I'm quite curious to find out what they look like!:biggrin:
I think your Goni's are haianensis, but that's purely based on the fact that lichtenfelderii is less common.
They look great anyhow!
Kind regards,

Cindy

 

[Animal34343]

Thanks for the replies everyone. They were originally sold to me as lichtenfelderii, but I was pretty sure they were hainanensis.

 

[Geckos and Goannas]

That I know of the only true litchs in the U.S. are traced back to like ten pairs that Henkel imported. Im not 100% sure though. I know Phil Tremper has true litchs though. Also most WC are sold as G. litchtenfelderi or G. lichtenfelderi hiananensis; which is untrue. G. haianensis isnt a supspecies any more.

 

[Animal34343]

That I know of the only true litchs in the U.S. are traced back to like ten pairs that Henkel imported. Im not 100% sure though. I know Phil Tremper has true litchs though. Also most WC are sold as G. litchtenfelderi or G. lichtenfelderi hiananensis; which is untrue. G. haianensis isnt a supspecies any more.

Ok, so if I want true litchenfelderii I'll have to talk to Phil Tremper.

 

[Animal34343]

Hi Andre,

I see that you own two G. yamashinea. Could you please post a picture off

Pictures of my yamashinae are in the thread under this one.

 

[Geckos and Goannas]

Ok, so if I want true litchenfelderii I'll have to talk to Phil Tremper.

yeah. Hes got some really nice Gonis. I got my kuroiwae and splendens from him and should be getting some lichtenfelderi from him this summer.

 

[Animal34343]

yeah. Hes got some really nice Gonis. I got my kuroiwae and splendens from him and should be getting some lichtenfelderi from him this summer.

Thanks. I emailed him Sunday night and haven't heard back, so I'll probably call him tomorrow or the next day.

 

[JimmyNightlizard]

Cave geckos

Pictures of my yamashinae are in the thread under this one.

I believe I examples of both species, G. hainanensis, and lichtenfelderi. I post pics of them soon!

Jim

 

[Animal34343]

I believe I examples of both species, G. hainanensis, and lichtenfelderi. I post pics of them soon!

Jim

Great! I'm looking forward to it.

 

[JimmyNightlizard]

Here are my goni pics!

Here are my goni's! The first two pics are of my male hainanensis. And all the others are of my lichtenfelderi. Sorry I wish I could add more, but alot of the pics of the hainanensis did'nt come out good. I can always try this again if you want close up head shots? Also both my female caves are currently gravid. I think the babies are going to be a cross between the two. I baught the male with two female lichtenfelderi. At the time of purchase(nov 1st 08) the guy I baught them from said they were kept in together for 3 months. So that could mean that the hainanensis is the father? Or maybe not? They might even be infertile? I used to have a female tiger gecko that layed infertle eggs all the time. But I know not every species does this. I have other geckos that only produce eggs after mating.(cyrtodactylus pulchellus). I see you work with many different species of goniurosaurus. Have you ever successfully bred any of the cave geckos? If so, could you please give me some tips on incubation, egg laying methods...etc. My females are over due to lay I believe. They've been noticabally gravid for about 4 months now. I tried soaking them in warm water, and gentally massaging their bellies. I have a plastic cave, with damp peat/spagnum combo in there for them to bury their eggs in. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.
Jim

 

[Animal34343]

I just got my yamashinae, kuriowae, orientalis, and one splendens in December, and I've only gotten infertile eggs from my hainanensis and luii. Can you see the eggs through their bellies?

 

[Geckos and Goannas]

Why is it you think you have lichtenfelderi and not hiananensis? If you dont mind me asking who did you get them from , because I wouldnt be so sure they are true lichtenfelderi, and why would they sell you a trio of the two species? if i werer you I would NOT breed the two together because we NEED pure bloodlines of lichtenfelderi in the U.S. as there is only a handful of true ones in the U.S. just a side note lichtenfelderi can not be imported so if he told you the mother and father of the lichs were WC then they arnt (more than likely, unless they are like 29 years old.)

ok breeding. I have a zoo med granite 3 in 1 hideing cave that I fill with 1 part eco earth to 1 part play sand kept moist not wet, the eggs are laid in here, no problems. Gestation is about 30 days and incubation is about 65-72 days at 78-80 F on moist, agian, not wet vermiculite.

 

[JimmyNightlizard]

goni's eggs

Yes, they are visable. Have been for some time now. I'm worried that they might be egg bound? I had this problem 4 years ago with female C. peguensis(thia bowfingers) before and had to take them to a vet. All the vet gave me was an oral supplement(calicium suspesion fluid). And told also me to soak them in lukewarm water, and massage their bellies. So that's what I did for these girls. I keep them separetly to avoid stress. I'm not sure if its just a matter of time? The eggs have been noticable under their bellies for a long time, going on 4 months now. I'm starting to think that if that don't lay them in the next couple of weeks, I'll just set an appointment with the vet. Maybe an oxitosin shot is in order? Sure don't want to lose these two.

Jim

 

[PassPort]

He hit the nail on the head. What you have are all hainens. And from the looks of it they're all highland forms

 

[erik]

He hit the nail on the head. What you have are all hainens. And from the looks of it they're all highland forms

i agree, they are all hainanensis. (highland)
i supose going to a vet is the best idea, do the females eat?
in my experience i noticed that my females don't eat anything for
about a week and then i know that they are going to lay their eggs soon.
i guess that their belly's are to full of the eggs and that there is no space
anymore for the food. but again, that last's for about a week and then they
lay their eggs. does anybody experience this too?

grtz,e