how many types of uroplatus?

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deaxone

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me and a friend of mine are trying to find out how many different types of urplatus there are including all sub species and locales,
i read that pietshmanni were fairly recently discoverd and wernt included in a few pieces of literature we found,
any help will be gratefully recieved,
imalso looking for a care sheet for guentheri as i recently perchased a prooven pair,
thanks in advance guys:)
 
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Tariq Stark

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Hi,

I don't have a care sheet on U. guentheri but I do have a paper that might interest you:

Rediscovery of Uroplatus guentheri (Bauer and Russel, 1987).

Tariq
 
miguel camacho!

miguel camacho!

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there is still a great deal unknown about the uroplatus genus.

the "geckos of madagascar..." book by schonecker has, from what i've seen, the most complete listing of Uroplatus anyone has bothered to write about.

Uroplatus alluaudi Mocquard, 1894
Uroplatus ebenaui Boettger, 1879
Uroplatus aff. ebenaui (Montagne d'Ambre)
Uroplatus fimbriatus Schneider, 1797
Uroplatus giganteus Glaw, Kosuch, Henkel, Sound, & Bohme, 2006
Uroplatus aff. giganteus (Marojejy)
Uroplatus guentheri Mocquard, 1908
Uroplatus henkeli Bohme & Ibische, 1990
Uroplatus aff. henkeli
Uroplatus lineatus Dumeril & Bibron, 1836
Uroplatus malahelo Nussbaum & Raxworthy, 1994
Uroplatus malama Nussbaum & Raxworthy, 1995
Uroplatus phantasticus Boulenger, 1888
Uroplatus pietschmanni Bohle & Schonecker, 2003
Uroplatus sikorae Boettger, 1913
.....Uroplatus sikorae sikorae Boettger, 1913
.....Uroplatus sikorae sameiti Bohme & Ibisch, 1990
.....Uroplatus aff. sikorae (Montagne d'Ambre)

as far as the animals available in the trade, it's a little different for you Europeans, where some of you may have locality info on your animals. But here, at least for the vast majority, no locality data is provided for the animals received. But if you want to get a better idea of the ranges of these animals (at least most of them), i suggest you buy the Schonecker and Svatek/van Duin books.
 
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miguel camacho!

miguel camacho!

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doh! for some stupid reason, the forums don't allow indentations. the subspecies of sikorae (the only presently described subspecies within the genus uroplatus), should have an indent.

when looking at that list, there is no difference between U. sikorae and U. sikorae sikorae. U. sikorae was the originally described specimen for the species (holotype), and further along, when the subspecies U. sikorae sameiti was described, it received the name it has now and the other subspecies (U. sikorae sikorae) received the nominate subspecies due to the fact that the original description made by Boettger in 1913, while only describing to the level of species back then, he was actually describing the subspecies U. sikorae sikorae.

i hope that makes sense. if not, let me know and i can try explaining it a little differently.
 
miguel camacho!

miguel camacho!

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there is no doubt that there are more variations to be found among the various species. who knows for sure whether we're talking about different species or subspecies for sure. i was just listing what was put forth in the Schonecker book.

as for U. cf. fimbriatus and cf. malama, i have not particularly seen the individuals being spoken of. if we are speaking of animals within the hobby, it is hard to tell how the keepers with these animals arrive at their determination that the individuals they have are alike or unlike the species they compare it to.

from what i can see, however, the "unknown uroplatus specie" you linked to, it has characteristics similar to U. aff. henkeli, which looks like normal henkeli with a golden coloration to the iris.
 
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deaxone

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wow,very interesting if not a little bit above my head,
what does cf. and aff. refer to,sorry if this all sounds a little simple,
if pietshmanni was only discribed in the 03,could there be a previously unseen species out there now?,how exiting!!!!!!!!!!
id love to see them in the wild i saw some on a madagasgar wildlife programme today,uroplatus have to be the coolest reptiles ever!
 
Graham_s

Graham_s

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deaxone said:
wow,very interesting if not a little bit above my head,
what does cf. and aff. refer to,sorry if this all sounds a little simple,
if pietshmanni was only discribed in the 03,could there be a previously unseen species out there now?,how exiting!!!!!!!!!!
id love to see them in the wild i saw some on a madagasgar wildlife programme today,uroplatus have to be the coolest reptiles ever!
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cf and aff are from confer and affinis. i can't remember which one means what, but it means they are an undescribed species, but probably closest related, maybe subspecies, maybe different species, to the species name used after aff or cf.

Regarding the cf.fimbriatus:
According to the book, and what I have picked up, there are a couple of cf.fimbriatus species. Also, the book says that the U.cf.sikorae from montagne d'ambre is also found in diego suarez and often called "diego henkeli", which seem to be more commonly called aff.henkeli now, so the cf.sikorae and aff.henkeli may be the same.

I've added a couple more to your list, Mike:

Uroplatus alluaudi
Uroplatus ebenaui
Uroplatus aff. ebenaui (Montagne d'Ambre)
Uroplatus fimbriatus
Uroplatus cf.fimbriatus (Montagne d'Ambre)
Uroplatus cf.fimbriatus (locality unknown)
Uroplatus giganteus
Uroplatus aff. giganteus (Marojejy)
Uroplatus guentheri
Uroplatus henkeli
Uroplatus aff. henkeli (Diego Suarez)
Uroplatus lineatus
Uroplatus malahelo
Uroplatus malama
Uroplatus phantasticus
Uroplatus aff.phantasticus
Uroplatus pietschmanni
Uroplatus sikorae sikorae
Uroplatus sikorae sameiti
Uroplatus aff. sikorae (Montagne d'Ambre)
 
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Graham_s

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also... ebenaui are a species that are described from specimins from Nosy be, and I think most that are in the pet trade are from other localities, so some would argue that what we know as ebenaui is probably aff.ebenaui.
 
Gecko_Danny

Gecko_Danny

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The photos in the link belongs to Olaf pronk and if you look through his album there are pics of both U aff henkeli and the specie with the golden coloured iris. So I don't know, I'm not an expert but I think it looks different from the henkelis.

However is that book by Schonecker about madagacar wildlife only? Do you know where I can find It?

Regards Daniel
 
Graham_s

Graham_s

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Gecko_Danny said:
The photos in the link belongs to Olaf pronk and if you look through his album there are pics of both U aff henkeli and the specie with the golden coloured iris. So I don't know, I'm not an expert but I think it looks different from the henkelis.

However is that book by Schonecker about madagacar wildlife only? Do you know where I can find It?

Regards Daniel
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It's on madagascar and the seychelles and you can buy it here Chimaira Buchhandels GmbH ;)

As there are so many undescribed species, it can become very confusing very fast, so thanks for correcting me :)
 
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Tariq Stark

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cf and aff are from confer and affinis. i can't remember which one means what, but it means they are an undescribed species, but probably closest related, maybe subspecies, maybe different species, to the species name used after aff or cf.
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aff. (affinis): affinity to
cf. (confer): compared to

Tariq
 
Graham_s

Graham_s

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Gecko_Danny said:
Yeah I know, I'ts very confusing :). Is the book in English?

Regards Daniel
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There is an english version but there is probably a german version too. I looked at one when I was in hamm last, shortly after it was published, and that was english. There are loads of really nice photos in there, and some useful info too.
 
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Uropl@tus

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Hello

There are a lot of forms in the aff. I#ve shown in the book and the species of the fimbriatus and ebenaui-complex. But if you have a nearer look into the book you'll see that I differ the localities; eg. for Uroplatus aff. henkeli there are two forms from Ankarana an from the Montagne des Francais, the other aff. I listed are the species of witch it is nearly proven that they are different from the species, eg. form the aff. ebenaui from the Montage d'Ambre. But there are a lot of more. The ebenaui e.g. that are imported to the US are in my opinion for sure all aff. because the Holotype comes from Nosy Be and I've never heard of animals that came from there. In addition they differ in appearence. Most of them come from the highlands where they life together with the Uroplatus phantasticus. Hope that the herpetologists will publish soon ....

Best Regards Patrick
 
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K@nne

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Hi,
a very good base, ist the new Chimaira Terralog book "Geckos off Madagascar written by Patrick Schönecker" it ist also available in english.
I bought it some weeks ago by Patrick on the show in Kaiserslautern. He took a few minutes to expounded it to me. Thx to Patrick! I like it very much, there you can see de different locations on small maps, the climatical facts of the the different species!

It is a great book!

Best wishes
Chris
 
miguel camacho!

miguel camacho!

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oh, so it's you, Patrick!

did you ever announce that it was you that published this book? if so, i missed it! and i haven't seen you around here lately.

definitely a monumental undertaking for providing all the forms, not just of Uroplatus, but the geckos of Madagascar in general!

cheers
 
Graham_s

Graham_s

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miguel camacho! said:
oh, so it's you, Patrick!

did you ever announce that it was you that published this book? if so, i missed it! and i haven't seen you around here lately.

definitely a monumental undertaking for providing all the forms, not just of Uroplatus, but the geckos of Madagascar in general!

cheers
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here, here!

You've done a great job Patrick. And when I get round to it, I will have to order a copy :)

What's your next book going to be?
 
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