Neurological Leo Problem? please view!!!

artist4dragons

New member
A friend of mine is selling me his two female leos. One is huge, like 10 inches long, big fat tail, and is in all-around super shape. The other...she is a melanistic leo, real dark, and she has what may be some sort of a neurological problem. He thinks she may have eyesight problems.

When he offers the food (the bigger mealworms on a tupperware lid) she comes out...while walking, she throws her head around, sometimes walking in circles. When she spots the mealies, she goes up to them and spies one out. When she strikes, it is either in the opposite direction or actually throwing her head back. When he hand-feeds, she follows well enough, but practically throws herself around. She slides around against the side of the burrow and through the sand, agaisnt the water dish, and he does not feed her near the sides of the tank because she often throws her head into it (she also thumps her head on the floor sometimes while throwing her head around). She has a really hard time eating due to this, but he feeds them every other day and makes sure she gets one or two via very patient hand-feeding or a lucky strike on her part.

She is thin, not unhealthily so, but too thin for my comfort. Her tail is also kinda thin. They don''t seem to have shedding problems, just a missing toe-end or two (credit for that is given to the pervious owner). She is dark, as mentioned before, with large spots all over, and her underbelly is sharply defined as opposed to fading out. I'm not sure if this is normal for melanistic.

They are kept on calci-sand (yep, that's what i thought too) but they are either hand-fed or fed on the tupperware lid, so I don't think that is a problem. They have a petrified root/branchy system that they walk under and climb on, and the larger size foam burrow. There is no moist hide. They are provided clean fresh water and consistent heat, but the mealworms are not dusted and they don't have a calcium dish. (both stand up well, no sign of bendy bones)

Please let me know if this sounds like anything you have heard of or dealt with, and if there is anything I need to do or get for her. Thanks in advance.
 

strmckr

New member
Metabolic Bone Disease can have syptoms you are descibing;

Metabolic Bone Disease (MBD) in Reptiles

i would seek medical attention for this immediatly at the sate the lizard is in;

if unable increase the amount of caclium that the animal is eating;

attain a uv a&b bulb have it on during the day cycle {helps stimulate the absorbsion of vitiam D;

issolate the female in a tank with out substrate {paper towl} and increase her tank temp to slightly higher then normal +3/+5 degrees above average {85} to increase her metablic rate:

mix it with water and syringe feed.

i suggest reading the document above too much phospates can casue death as well, dont over feed calcium use the ratios described in the document.

There is no moist hide.
i would get one of these as well.

the cheap and easy way:
place an empty margin/butter container with a door in the lid cut out 20% larger then the animal for easy access. place mostened paper towel into the hide.

other questions is the under belly complety dark black/inky?
can u compare the two animals.
also check the eye coloration it should be a marbled green color.



if its a parasite the under belly tends to go a solid dark color
and the eye colours change to black marble
and there skin pigment typically changes paler then normal.
 
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Riverside Reptiles

Administrator (HMFIC)
It doesn't sound like MBD to me so much as it sounds like some of the neurological issues that are often associated with the "enigma" morph. If it is indeed a neurological problem, it's doubtful that there's much of anything you can really do for her other than make her life as comfortable and easy as possible.
 

strmckr

New member
i read it as she has difficulty supporting her own mass.

week joints and body structers can disorinate a lizard
long term affects of mbd are neurlogical.

ive seen similar affects with mbd as the source. and the formention helps if thats the case.

or it could be neurlogical.
which there isnt much that can be done.
 
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artist4dragons

New member
Thanks so much guys. I appreciate the suggestions.

I'm setting up their new home now and will be doing what I can to get the proper nutrition in her. I've read that taking them outside is good so they can get more uv rays to help the absorption of the calcium, so there will be fun outside play time for them until I can get her to a vet, which is definitely priority one.

Thanks again, and I'll post updates as they come along.


Mel
 

TripleTGecko

New member
Hi there,
neurological problems with Enigma???
My Enigma had the same problems for a few days, walking in circles, sometimes I thought he was blind for some days. I seperate him in a smaler box, very high fluid in the air (sorry german but i think you know what I mean) an just a few mealworms, and now he is really healthy again. He is hunting everything and have much fun with his girls ;-)
S i don't know if he is really healthy again or just a little better. So cross your fingers for me and give me all information you have!!
 

strmckr

New member
Hi there,
neurological problems with Enigma???

enigmas have neruological problems when they are line bred to each other.

there gentic traits triggers malfomation of rna strands.

resuts very but the animal displays alot of odd behaviours and some become agressive.
these do not go away with time.
 

TripleTGecko

New member
Hi,
thanks for the information.
This is very interesting, my little Enigma sometimes trys to attack me through the glass of the terrarium, but when I open it he is as friendly as all the others. I don't understand him at all. So as long as he don't seem to have problems and as long as he is genlte to his ladys i don't will do anything. I met the vet 1 time and he just was looking for the eyes, allthough he is a reptile spezialist, mayby he doesn't know enough about leos.
Ok thanks for now
Tomy from TripleTGecko
 
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