Skinny Tokay evolution: 2nd part

holocaustto

holocaustto

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Hi there
Just as I did with my Male shown in this thread http://www.geckosunlimited.com/community/gekko-including-tokay-golden-white-lined-etc/40288-tokay-recover-100-pics.html, who looks like this today http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4404343670_05d8b792ba_b.jpg
Im working on the rescue of a female starting with similar conditions.
I wanted to show the fast evolution of this female, which Im very proud of.

Here it is.
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A soon as she is ready I'll put them together to breed.
 

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cliff_f

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When tokays are under the right care it is amazing how fast they can put on the weight. Great job!
 
Riverside Reptiles

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Good job. That's a great series of pics. Shows how resilient these geckos really are under the proper conditions. They're tough as nails.
 
J.P.

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if i didn't know how tough tokays are, i'd say those are different animals! excellent job!
 
cliff_f

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Whats really sad is there is absolutely no reason why that tokay should of ever got in that condition. It just shows how some people put no care into the animals just so the can make a buck. Minimal care would of prevented that.
 
holocaustto

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cliff_f said:
Whats really sad is there is absolutely no reason why that tokay should of ever got in that condition. It just shows how some people put no care into the animals just so the can make a buck. Minimal care would of prevented that.
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Cliff, Im afraid in this case it's a little bit more complicated. If I was in the US, you would be 100% right. Here the deal is kind of different... sad, no doubt about that.
Just to make my point I'll try to explain as short as possible (And making an effort with my precary English)
First of all this Tokays (EVERY SINGLE tokay available in Chile) are WC.
So, They catch the gecko (no idea where), who knows how do they keep them in the meanwhile (Im guessing many individuals per cage and very poor conditions, since it is just until they sell them). After that, only in the case they are shipped directly from the people who catches them, they fly all the way to Chile (again; stress, cold, etc). Here they have to stay for hours in the Airport, while the authorities check everything's in order. After that they have to be kept also in reduced space (you have to pay for the space daily) for AL LEAST 14 days. And after all these, only the luckiest and healthier ones are ready to be sold. Now, apply all that to a WC animal, probably with parasites, stressed and dehidrated for a long period. There are times where the animals arrive in better conditions and resist everything better and we, hobbiests don't HAVE to buy a "dying" animal. So you are pretty much right about "some people put no care into the animals just so the can make a buck", but most of the times this happens even before they arrive Chile and as I explained, in that moment the animals still have to resist a lot of time before they get into the hands of someone who cares.
That's the sad story about Tokays here in Chile.
With Cresties or Leos is a whole another story, since they are CB and are NOT full of parasites and other issues a WC comes with.
 
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cliff_f

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holocaustto said:
Cliff, Im afraid in this case it's a little bit more complicated. If I was in the US, you would be 100% right. Here the deal is kind of different... sad, no doubt about that.
Just to make my point I'll try to explain as short as possible (And making an effort with my precary English)
First of all this Tokays (EVERY SINGLE tokay available in Chile) are WC.
So, They catch the gecko (no idea where), who knows how do they keep them in the meanwhile (Im guessing many individuals per cage and very poor conditions, since it is just until they sell them). After that, only in the case they are shipped directly from the people who catches them, they fly all the way to Chile (again; stress, cold, etc). Here they have to stay for hours in the Airport, while the authorities check everything's in order. After that they have to be kept also in reduced space (you have to pay for the space daily) for AL LEAST 14 days. And after all these, only the luckiest and healthier ones are ready to be sold. Now, apply all that to a WC animal, probably with parasites, stressed and dehidrated for a long period. There are times where the animals arrive in better conditions and resist everything better and we, hobbiests don't HAVE to buy a "dying" animal. So you are pretty much right about "some people put no care into the animals just so the can make a buck", but most of the times this happens even before they arrive Chile and as I explained, in that moment the animals still have to resist a lot of time before they get into the hands of someone who cares.
That's the sad story about Tokays here in Chile.
With Cresties or Leos is a whole another story, since they are CB and are NOT full of parasites and other issues a WC comes with.
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I understand all that completely but if the importers put a little care into the animals that could of been prevented, plain and simple. They just put minimal to no care in the animal so they can make that extra buck. So really it is no more complicated then what I mentioned. If they put a little care into the animal the price would go up a little but there would be better quality animals. Also you have the people that are just to lazy to put any pride into what they do, they just want it sweet and simple and get it to someone else hands and let them deal with the sick animals. To me all that gibberish about shipping and being stressed is no excuse to have a animal look the way most of them do when they come in. Because that does not happen in one or two days time. That is weeks worth of neglect if not months. You are right we don't have to buy a dieing animals but I would rather see the price go up on animals because people are putting care into them and there is good quality animals being imported. In return more live animals are going to be on the market and then there will be less animals having to be taken from the wild. Maybe I took what you are saying wrong but it kind of sounded like you was defending the importers, when in my opinion there is no excuse for that. That happens from no care, over crowding and basic piss poor conditions that should not happen for the periods of time that they do.
 
holocaustto

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cliff_f said:
I understand all that completely but if the importers put a little care into the animals that could of been prevented, plain and simple. They just put minimal to no care in the animal so they can make that extra buck. So really it is no more complicated then what I mentioned. If they put a little care into the animal the price would go up a little but there would be better quality animals. Also you have the people that are just to lazy to put any pride into what they do, they just want it sweet and simple and get it to someone else hands and let them deal with the sick animals. To me all that gibberish about shipping and being stressed is no excuse to have a animal look the way most of them do when they come in. Because that does not happen in one or two days time. That is weeks worth of neglect if not months. You are right we don't have to buy a dieing animals but I would rather see the price go up on animals because people are putting care into them and there is good quality animals being imported. In return more live animals are going to be on the market and then there will be less animals having to be taken from the wild. Maybe I took what you are saying wrong but it kind of sounded like you was defending the importers, when in my opinion there is no excuse for that. That happens from no care, over crowding and basic piss poor conditions that should not happen for the periods of time that they do.
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I completely agree with you, there is no excuse, there just a poor and sad explaination. If you had the idea of that I was defending the importers is because Im pretty close to one of them here. Im pretty sure you knew the steps i described even better than me, that was more for the people who do not. What I want to make clear with my point of view is that many times, at least WC Tokays, already arrive in conditions that make them look like this in a couple of weeks. So, during the stressful quarenteen they don't really recover, because they barely eat in these conditions and after the shock of been caught and the flight etc etc (and surely many other things I don't even imagine). That's at least what I think, the importer many times doesn't have really MUCH to do for them at that point (That's when I come in :), or nothing that minimal care would do.
So, this importer that I know got tired of receiveing bad quality animals (Im always talking about Tokays).
 
holocaustto

holocaustto

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Hey!
Im reposting this old thing... just to give you guys an update.
This is the same pic, with a current pic on the bottom. This girl is doing great...

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Here she is finally with the male!
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From this perspective she looks even smaller... but I think she is alright. The male is huge though... lol
This is how he used to look when i just got it.. like a year and a half ago.
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Hope you like em!!
 
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stonefort14

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Looks great! what were you feeding her to get her weight up so fast? I've got one "rescue" female and she just won't put on weight vet said no parasites or other ailments.
Thanks
 
xDEADFAMOUSx

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How did you get them to gain weight so fast? I have a rather skinny female that needa fattening up....

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Riverside Reptiles

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xDEADFAMOUSx said:
How did you get them to gain weight so fast? I have a rather skinny female that needa fattening up....

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A high quality gut loaded and dusted diet of crickets or roaches along with proper hydration, heat, and humidity will put the weight right back on them amazingly fast. Tricks like feeding junk food that are nothing but fat and empty calories like wax worms or pinkies will result in nothing but a fat unhealthy gecko.
 
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