Part1 Borbonica Consensus: Opinions wanted

[Adrn]

I have had the good fortune of finding some of the phelsumas that I have most desired to keep/breed since I started gecko husbandry. The search does continue though, lol.
What I am finding out to be a little unclear is the 100% confirmation of the species/subspecies ID of the Borbonica I am keeping. I would like to post some pics in the hopes that many of you out there that do/have kept or studied the Borbonica species will give me/us an opportunity to shed some light on the difference or at least come to a popular conclusion. I would like opinions on only the species/subspecies(Borbonica, B Agalegae, B A. Mater) pics that I post. From speaking with some, and also reading other posts, there seems to be question regarding what is true B Agalegae vs B Mater vs B Borbonica. Please feel free to post your opinions but in a format that all will be able to follow(ie. 1 is XXXX, 2 is XXXX, 3 is XXXX). I will send this in two parts.
Thanks to all for whatever input they give.

-Adrian

PB1 - I wanted to show her nice blue patch on the back of her head. Also, trying to show how green-blue her entire underside is. Even though it is still washed from flash, the chest can give you an idea.

PB2 - Your thoughts?

 

[jeroen de kruyk]

hi,

the first borbonica is a north coast phelsuma borbonica borbonica
( St. André is the locality)

the second is also a borbonica borbonica but a redder version.
could the locality near St. Rosé

 

[colinmelsom]

Jeroen please could you explain what characteristics made you come to these conclusions,I am interested to know.

 

[jeroen de kruyk]

the borbonica st.André i keep them myself. i reconize the pattern.

the other borbonica looks similiar to the borbonica on Flickr.com. there are a few photo's from emanuel van heygen en achim lerner.

als it is borbonica because mater has a dorsal stripe on his snout. they also intend to be much darker on the belly as they grow.

and for sure it's not agalegae because totally different.

 

[Adrn]

Thanks Jeroen for your input. I am still trying to gather more consensus through email, etc. I am still a little thrown off as to what my next step is in breeding approach. Seeing that these are all considered the nominate species, I may have 1 male to 3 females to figure out.

 

[LLDG]

I stopped by to see if anyone saw the first gecko as Phelsuma cepediana. I had no doubts that it was cepdiana (I've worked with them so long). It has the dark line from the eye down the side through to the tail. There is a second white line that runs under it. These lines are not borbonica characteristics.

 

[pono]

I stopped by to see if anyone saw the first gecko as Phelsuma cepediana. I had no doubts that it was cepdiana (I've worked with them so long). It has the dark line from the eye down the side through to the tail. There is a second white line that runs under it. These lines are not borbonica characteristics.

I thought it was a cepe aswell at first glance. It certainly does have very similar colouration to a cepediana in the first pic, but doesn't look as cepediana-like in the second.

Ed

 

[jeroen de kruyk]

this is a borbonica mater in younger form.
as everybody knows, cepediana is not that nice when they are hatched. and borbonica are very nice when the hatch:

this is a juvenile borbonica borbonica :
http://www.phelsuma-islands.nl/images/Phelsuma Borbonica borbonica vrouw.JPG

as you can see he is very nice coloured.

lines has almost nothing to do with it, the pattern is to different too cepediana,
also, i am pretty sure that he bought them for a "pro" breeder/keeper, who know what he sell's.

 

[m.roesch]

Also on this part, they are looking all to me like borbonica mater.

Regards,
Markus