tokay not eating superworms HELP

[reeian]

guys iam not new to this forum i read articles of some forumers, but i newly joined this website ^^

so my problem are i have four pcs tokay gecko,, and i want them to be trained to eat superworm because that thats the only one i have tons of stock,, my tokay really doesnt eat superworms

any advice on how to train these tokay of mine to eat superworms ??

does anyone of u guys had encountered a problem like mine?? and successfully trained a tokay to eat superworms?? thanks

 

[thehotchik1000]

You're not going to be training a tokay to do anything unfortunately. Super worms are not an Good solo diet for any reptile. Roaches and or gutloaded crickets are the best. Some tokays like the every once in awhile superworms others don't. They tend to burrow under the subsadrate and the tokays look for the movement of the feeder. Hence why gutloaded crickets or roaches are the best. Supers are also high in fat. So it's like feeding candy to your animal. You want protien that gives healthy weight to your tokay. Is there a reason that you only want to feed supers? Really the up keep on at least crix is quite minimal and your tokay will eat them. Unfortunately supers aren't going to attract the animal to eat them. And if he isn't eating them on his own you shouldn't train or make him eat them.

 

[bawner00]

i've heard some tokays refuse to eat supers, I guess it's because supers are waaay too slow, and tokays just don't pay atention on them, anyway like the hot chik said, supers aren't the best to feed your tokay, otherwse you'll get a FAT, unhealthy tokay.... oh!!! and by the way, WELLCOME!!!!!!!

 

[reeian]

hi hot chik and bawner,,

ohh okie,, i really would like my tokay gecko be in a weight of 250+ grams then at the same time i want it to be super super healthy,, because my frends tokay eats a variety of diet and still stuck on a wieght of 140 grams huhu,,

BTW wat does ur tokay measure and weight?? ^^
thanks guys more power ^^,,

 

[reeian]

hi again hot chik the reason why i want to feed my tokay superworms its because thats the only feeder i have in stock huhuhu,, others i hunt them, there is no shop here that sell insect feeder roach or crickets hhuhu , plan to buy from other places in the phil

 

[WeSRoC_JagVet]

hi again hot chik the reason why i want to feed my tokay superworms its because thats the only feeder i have in stock huhuhu,, others i hunt them, there is no shop here that sell insect feeder roach or crickets hhuhu , plan to buy from other places in the phil

taga san ka sir/ma'am? marami nang nag pproduce ng crix sa pinas..pano mo ba pinapakain ang tuko mo? do u put it sa dish? ilang araw na d kumakain ang tuko mo? try mo mg change feed kung ayaw ng SW.. subukan mo mg Blatta lateralis or Blaptica dubia.. kung wala nyan sa inyo maybe i can help u na ipa deliver ang gusto mong feeder..

wg yung ipis na ordinary sa atin, like German roach (Blatella germanica) & Oriental roaches (Blatella orientalis). madumi kc yun.. :coverlaugh:

 

[thehotchik1000]

I understand that you want to feed what's on hand. Although your friends tokay eats a varied diet he's actually at a really good weight. It's not good when any animal gets obese. Most of my adult males are in that range but I have a couple that are near 300gm. I consider them pretty chunky they are quite long as well. They really don't eat as much as one would think and it's crickets and dubia roaches for them. I don't suggest going and catching the food for them to eat. I'm sure people use a variety of pesticides and other chemicals and the risk of exposure to your animal IMHO is just to great. If you do grab some wild feeders maybe try breeding them and starting another colony of feeders and that way you have your own source of food that you know is clean. There's alot of us on this forum that do the same. I breed hornworms and dubias for my animals and I'm sure there's others that do other kinds of feeders. I hope this helps in some way.
Morgan

 

[lammergeier]

taga san ka sir/ma'am? marami nang nag pproduce ng crix sa pinas..pano mo ba pinapakain ang tuko mo? do u put it sa dish? ilang araw na d kumakain ang tuko mo? try mo mg change feed kung ayaw ng SW.. subukan mo mg Blatta lateralis or Blaptica dubia.. kung wala nyan sa inyo maybe i can help u na ipa deliver ang gusto mong feeder..

wg yung ipis na ordinary sa atin, like German roach (Blatella germanica) & Oriental roaches (Blatella orientalis). madumi kc yun.. :coverlaugh:

saan loc nyu sir, magkano po dubai?

 

[lammergeier]

hi again hot chik the reason why i want to feed my tokay superworms its because thats the only feeder i have in stock huhuhu,, others i hunt them, there is no shop here that sell insect feeder roach or crickets hhuhu , plan to buy from other places in the phil

hi sir reeian, marami ngbebenta sa ppf mura lang po
super worms should not be a stable diet for ur tokays, they may encounter some digestive problems, i lost one gecko(my one and only p.intermedium(RIP,Cram)).... besed on my own experience....

Can i ask u some questions
Why do you want your tokay to reach 250+g?
what the purpose sir?

 

[reeian]

hi guys, iam from ZAMBOANGA city i think u have never heard it before ^^

, MARAMI rin pinoy pla rito ^^,

@hotchik, thanks again for the reply ma'am, u have stated that ur male are near 300 grams,are they healthy?? , how many years did they become that big?? estimate?? and u feed them with dubia and crix for their diet?? are dubia really good for them?? and blatta lateralis?? how many year are u in this tokay hobby ma'am morgan? thanks again for the reply

@lammergeier" uu maraming feeders sa ppf pero d ko pa afford mag pa ship heheh maybe on march ^^ heheh, uhm reason for 250+ grams?? because our tokay here in zamboanga never reahes that kind of wieght,, really wanna try them to get that big,, how many tokay do u have ma'am?? iam also planning to breed this pitbull Tokay ^^

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

I wouldn't worry about trying to reach any particular size in grams. Some tokays simply get larger than others. In fact, in my opinion there seems to be two separate forms of tokays...one for that gets very large and bulky, and another that tend to stay more slender. As long as it's healthy, the particular weight in grams really doesn't matter. I use mostly dubia and lateralis roaches to feed mine with (and sometimes crickets).

 

[reeian]

@riverside reptile: two kinds of tokay?? wow that i dont know

does your tokay eats SWorms?? or do u feed them ocassionally with superworms?? i also want my tokay to be 13-14 inches long ,, any idea on what to do?? how many tokays u have and wats their wieght??
thanks

^^

 

[WeSRoC_JagVet]

saan loc nyu sir, magkano po dubai?

cebu.. kaw?

 

[WeSRoC_JagVet]

hi guys, iam from ZAMBOANGA city i think u have never heard it before ^^

, MARAMI rin pinoy pla rito ^^,

@hotchik, thanks again for the reply ma'am, u have stated that ur male are near 300 grams,are they healthy?? , how many years did they become that big?? estimate?? and u feed them with dubia and crix for their diet?? are dubia really good for them?? and blatta lateralis?? how many year are u in this tokay hobby ma'am morgan? thanks again for the reply

@lammergeier" uu maraming feeders sa ppf pero d ko pa afford mag pa ship heheh maybe on march ^^ heheh, uhm reason for 250+ grams?? because our tokay here in zamboanga never reahes that kind of wieght,, really wanna try them to get that big,, how many tokay do u have ma'am?? iam also planning to breed this pitbull Tokay ^^

ah.. zamboanga.. hmmmm..?:biggrin: i think i know na kung bakit mo gustong palakihin ng ganon nag tuko mo..:idea: i heard some news from there..

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

@riverside reptile: two kinds of tokay?? wow that i dont know

does your tokay eats SWorms?? or do u feed them ocassionally with superworms?? i also want my tokay to be 13-14 inches long ,, any idea on what to do?? how many tokays u have and wats their wieght??
thanks

^^

I do not feed my tokays worms of any type. Just roaches and crickets. I currently have about 10 tokays and they vary in size. As I said already, I do not believe in trying to make them any larger than they would naturally be. I am much more concerned with them being healthy as opposed to them being extra large. Your obsession with size is starting to make me wonder if you don't perhaps have some sort of ulterior motive for making your geckos so big. I am aware that in asia they are worth a lot of money in the food and medicinal market and that the large ones fetch quite a bit of money.

 

[holocaustto]

I do not feed my tokays worms of any type. Just roaches and crickets. I currently have about 10 tokays and they vary in size. As I said already, I do not believe in trying to make them any larger than they would naturally be. I am much more concerned with them being healthy as opposed to them being extra large. Your obsession with size is starting to make me wonder if you don't perhaps have some sort of ulterior motive for making your geckos so big. I am aware that in asia they are worth a lot of money in the food and medicinal market and that the large ones fetch quite a bit of money.

I wondered about it a few "posts" ago...

 

[lammergeier]

cebu.. kaw?

Ai malau, antipolo po ako eh

 

[lammergeier]

hi guys, iam from ZAMBOANGA city i think u have never heard it before ^^

, MARAMI rin pinoy pla rito ^^,

@lammergeier" uu maraming feeders sa ppf pero d ko pa afford mag pa ship heheh maybe on march ^^ heheh, uhm reason for 250+ grams?? because our tokay here in zamboanga never reahes that kind of wieght,, really wanna try them to get that big,, how many tokay do u have ma'am?? iam also planning to breed this pitbull Tokay ^^

Sir po ako hehehehe, ako ung ngakakausap mo sa PPF din, ako ung mikko,
if you plan to breed ur tokay, hi po sila dapat mataba, dapat tama lang ang size nila , cause obesity will affect their reproductive capability.
if you want them to get fat but healthy feed them some healthy insects such as gutloaded Crix, or roaches, at adlibidum

 

[lammergeier]

@ sir holocaustto and sir Riverside Reptiles

hi sir sad to say that even here in the philippines people learned that heavy geckos is = big money, so some people here catch tokays in large # and ship them overseas,(to thailand i think). i asked some abot the use of large geckos, and they said that "when tokays become large they produce venom that can cure cancer" (i know that is not true), :?
i hope that someday this kind of trade will stop

 

[thehotchik1000]

hi guys, iam from ZAMBOANGA city i think u have never heard it before ^^

, MARAMI rin pinoy pla rito ^^,

@hotchik, thanks again for the reply ma'am, u have stated that ur male are near 300 grams,are they healthy?? , how many years did they become that big?? estimate?? and u feed them with dubia and crix for their diet?? are dubia really good for them?? and blatta lateralis?? how many year are u in this tokay hobby ma'am morgan? thanks again for the reply
^

All of my tokays are Only fed dubias and crickets. Most of my breeder males are older ive had them for at least 5 years and they were full grown adults when I got them. So I estimate an age at least 7-10 years old if not older. 2 of my larger boys are the powder blue morph so they were actually in great shape when I got them. And The other big boy is a normal that was in decent shape as well. They've definatly put On weight. But its been over a long period of time the last year or so they havent gained anymore and theyve plataued at their top weights last weigh in: 248g, 232g, 274g. I have a few cb boys that have just started barking and they are around 100gs. I've never tried any fattening tricks or food of any type. I think too much weight put on too fast is actually bad for any animal or even humans. And in all reality they don't even eat that much. Maybe 5-7 crickets each feed or 4 lg dubias each feed every other day is food day and that's the most at a feeding. If you're feeders are
Properly gutloaded as well they are
More nutritious making them not just water filled shells making them mire filling. I feel they are extremely healthy bc animals that are power fed or fed high fat diets don't live that long. As well as they're active, breeding, and muscular and never have any health issues. I see alot of People wanting to get their toks huge and I've never tried to do so nor do I understand why, healthy is all that should matter. I think there are many locales of tokays as Ethan said. Each locale has specific size or colour traits like a family line. Some are bigger some are smaller, some have long tails some have short, some have spots others don't. Of course the color differences are referred to as morphs or local morphs( there's a different word for that I'm just drawing a blank at the moment). But either way the most you should want for your tokay is to be healthy and live a long happy life. Sorry it took me a bit to respond.
Hope this helps
Morgan