Confirm Green Eyed Gecko Species

[Palor]

My friend and I have these green eyed geckos. Both bought under the label of only Green Eyed Gecko. When questioned we were told they were G. Smithii, but are they?

Male:

Female:

Would love confirmation on what they really are if possible.

 

[daggekko]

From what I've picked up from others opinions I think they are G smithii. I've noticed that the green eyed geckos that have that wierd black colored Y marking (not always just a Y, but that is what pops out in my mind when I look at their heads)on their head are typically called G smithii, where as G siamensis don't have any markings on their heads.

Granted that I don't see G siamensis often(I owned one 10 years ago) but they also seem to be much more stocky than G smithii. But this could be because all of the G smithii I've seen are fresh imports.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong(I am still trying to figure all of it out too!)

 

[billewicz]

Hello,

Gekko smithi. And if you or your friend ever want to sell them, please let me know. Or, if you see any available, I'd really appreciate the heads-up.

I want to build a couple of breeding groups to add to my Tokay Hoard. You can see The Tokay Hoard at: www.billewicz.com

Michael

 

[Palor]

Thanks guys.

I have wanted Green Eyed Geckos ever since I saw one listed as a Green Eyed Tokay at the local pet store in 1986.

We found this pair in the last year. One was in WI and the other I found in Tuscon. Can't wait to get them together and get baby green eyes

Bill, we can trade babies

 

[billewicz]

Cool. Have you see a blue eyed smithi?

 

[daggekko]

Bill are those blue eyed smithi in your collection?

 

[Palor]

I have seen blue eyed smithii and think it would be the best thing ever to have a few pairs

 

[billewicz]

Ummm, SORRY! No I forgot to note that the blue eyed are from National Geographic photos.

 

[Ingo]

And here is the red eyed one aka Gekko albofasciolatus.

http://www.gekko-gecko.com/Sarawak-M-G-albofasciolatus-1.jpg

best regards

Ingo

 

[daggekko]

And here is the red eyed one aka Gekko albofasciolatus.

http://www.gekko-gecko.com/Sarawak-M...ciolatus-1.jpg

best regards

Ingo

Hey, have anymore information on this? I did a search real quick and came up with that either they are not a real species or they = Gekko smithi.
The picture looks like the red eye might be caused from a camera flash or lighting or something. I see a lot of green in there.

 

[billewicz]

I like the Reptile Database for a quick reference which notes that Gekko albofasciolatus is Synonymized with G. smithii by SMITH 1935, but considered as valid by BAUER et al. 2008. Bauer, Aaron M.; Montri Sumontha , & Olivier S. G. Pauwels 2008. A new red-eyed Gekko (Reptilia: Gekkonidae) from Kanchanaburi Province, Thailand. This means Bauer considers this a different animal from our green eyed gecko.

Bauer, by the way, is also one of the guys that has discovered Gekko nutaphandi, yet another Tokay-like gecko in Eastern Thailand in 2008.

THE REPTILE DATABASE

 

[Ingo]

We disussed this already shortly after the revalidation withion this forum.
I myself am not 100% sure that albofasciatus, nutaphandi as well as all the monarchus like phillipine Gekko species are really as many different species as classified today.
we should wait for some in depth sequencing to find out.

Best regards

Ingo

 

[daggekko]

Bill that was the same amount of info I could find on it. Ingo, sounds about right-wait for more research to be done.

 

[billewicz]

I'd still take breeding groups of each to work with!

 

[Ingo]

If you were in europe, I could sell you at least smithii, siamensis.
Something you might also be interested are petricolus. Very nice gex and very prolific. In fact, I use some of them as feeders.

Best regards

Ingo

 

[billewicz]

Well, come Spring, if I can't come up with any more smithi, I'll figure out a way to get them.

I do have a group of Golden's loose in the Insect Room for clean-up duties. Their job is to pick-off the loose crickets and the occasional other bug that gets out of their tubs.

 

[billewicz]

Bill are those blue eyed smithi in your collection?

So, after asking everyone and looking into ads and watching buy lists, I finely got in 10 pair of Gekko smithi form Indonesia. :banana::yahoo::banana::biggrin:

For an animal that was so common in the pet trade several years back, they have all but disappeared in the last two years here in the US.

Like so many cheap imports, there is no money in breeding them, so most folks will not bother. But then they stop coming in and there aren't any to be had.

I hope to be able to provide captive breed G smithi by this time next year.

Several have blue eyes so we'll see how the genetics work out or do they change color.

Enjoy!

 

[Marauderhex]

Michael,

Do you plan on selling any of the F1 CBBs you will be producing from these or are you going to keep them all for the genetics? If you release any, I would be interested in some.

 

[billewicz]

Yeah, the whole idea behind getting this group established was to provide captive bred offspring here in the US.

If these wild caught females are anything like Tokay, I'll have to limit their egg production and will hold back some F1 females to raise up as breeders.

So, by this time next year I hope to be able to sell some.

 

[ciliatus]

Gorgeous Michael. Id be interested in blue eyed offspring also. Please let as know as soon as you have any available.