Why does sikorae lays eggs but fimbriatus does not?

[Fumbles]

I have 1.1 pairs of sikorae and fimbriatus. The sikorae lays eggs every 6-8 weeks* or so, sometimes sooner. The fimbriatus has laid 2 eggs in the 2 years I've had her and both those eggs were soft, infertile and stuck to a tree - so she's aware she's laying duds. Everything about their care is the same from the diet to temperature.

The fimbriatus and sikorae are both strong eaters, have nice structure, and both have an incredible grip which I understand is indicative of having plenty of calcium.

Any ideas of what I should be doing to encourage egg development in the fimbriatus?

 

[rhacoboy]

I have 1.1 pairs of sikorae and fimbriatus. The sikorae lays eggs every 6-8 weeks* or so, sometimes sooner. The fimbriatus has laid 2 eggs in the 2 years I've had her and both those eggs were soft, infertile and stuck to a tree - so she's aware she's laying duds. Everything about their care is the same from the diet to temperature.

The fimbriatus and sikorae are both strong eaters, have nice structure, and both have an incredible grip which I understand is indicative of having plenty of calcium.

Any ideas of what I should be doing to encourage egg development in the fimbriatus?

The question your asking is not the question you need to be asking in order to trigger a useful response.

Sikorae and Fimbriatus are different species for one and therefore have slightly different requirements, although they are both in the genus Uroplatus. Fimbriatus require warmer temperatures and may not require the same amount of food or supplimentation as the Sikorae (whether it be more or less). Fimbriatus have also proven harder to breed and hatch than Sikorae.

Sikorae are the most prolific of Uroplatus in my opinion, and you may need to change things up in order to trigger a more positive breeding response in species such as Fimbriatus. Do a bit more reading on the SPECIFIC requirements of each species, as appose to the genus a whole.

Good luck,
-Armen

 

[Fumbles]

The question your asking is not the question you need to be asking in order to trigger a useful response.

Sikorae and Fimbriatus are different species for one and therefore have slightly different requirements, although they are both in the genus Uroplatus. Fimbriatus require warmer temperatures and may not require the same amount of food or supplimentation as the Sikorae (whether it be more or less). Fimbriatus have also proven harder to breed and hatch than Sikorae.

Sikorae are the most prolific of Uroplatus in my opinion, and you may need to change things up in order to trigger a more positive breeding response in species such as Fimbriatus. Do a bit more reading on the SPECIFIC requirements of each species, as appose to the genus a whole.

Good luck,
-Armen

I've read caresheet after caresheet and I'm just not seeing much difference where breeding is concerned. Most differences I'm seeing come down to a personal preference of day/night temperatures which seems to vary by about 4 degrees on average from author to author.

I suppose when it cools down in the fall I'll be able to control a wintering period then slowly heat things back up and artifically increase daytime light duration. Hopefully that will trigger a response.

It just strikes me as odd that they'd be in the same "seasons" but have different behavioral responses. The sikorae lays beautiful round eggs in the substrate like clockwork.

One thing I noticed - fimbriatus male always has seemed far less aggressive interested in his mate than the sikorae. I'm guessing that has more to do with me being present than anything.

Besides a wintering period do you have any suggestions? I've read about all the caresheets I can find over the few years I've had them :lol:

 

[pakinjak]

There's something enigmatic about fimbriatus breeding, and I'd love for someone who has it all figured out to enlighten the rest of us because I can count on one hand the number of CB fimbs I saw last year, but sikorae are all over the place. They both have relatively high quota numbers, though sikorae is considerably more than fimbriatus.

I'd suggest to listen to Armen's advice, and also remember the things that hold true for any Uroplatus species-

give them a nice big enclosure for the their size, they roam quite a bit at night and they will use all the cage you give them. This movement keeps them healthy and strong, I think.

If at all possible, keep them in their own room. I have a theory that lights and noises going off at all odd hours messes up their day/night cycle and may result in decreased egg laying and poor health in general.

Give them a 24 hr. light cycle that changes somewhat with the seasons

Give them a temp cycle that mimics the seasons of Mada.

Give them a seasonal rain fluctuation, remembering that Mada. rains like crazy where fimbs are native.

Give them as diverse a diet as possible.

Leave them alone. Don't take them out to play with them, they're not hamsters.

In short, make their experience as close to Mada. as possible. I think if you do that, your chances of success with them will greatly increase.

 

[Fumbles]

If anyone has a picture of their vivarium where they have successfully bred fimbriatus please share - I'm interested to see how they're set up and location if possible.

 

[pakinjak]

The thing is that most caresheets don't go beyond temp differences between species or even the groups of species that have been lumped together. I guess this is because keepers just don't know. We're just not at the place where we can produce a breeding response from all the species when we want to. I can tell you for sure that there are differences between each different species I keep, but I haven't been keeping them long enough to know what matters and what doesn't. It's just going to take thoughtful, careful, observant keeping for years to figure stuff like this out, if we ever do.

 

[mister3]

my fimbs are in a 24x24x48" enclosure. had a 1.1 in there and got another 1.1 which i housed there as well. as soon as the others were introduced breeding started. have seen the one pair mate 2x but have 3 infertile eggs to show for it.

have a huge colony of sikorae also and have had 2 infertile eggs so far...

damm day geckos just keep churning the eggs out.... lineatus just dropped 2 fertile, phants one infertile so far.

 

[Fumbles]

my fimbs are in a 24x24x48" enclosure. had a 1.1 in there and got another 1.1 which i housed there as well. as soon as the others were introduced breeding started. have seen the one pair mate 2x but have 3 infertile eggs to show for it.

My 1.1 are in a planted 48x18x18. Misted 2x daily. Temps are at 76-80. Humidity is 75-100.

The male was extremely unhappy about the female moving in. Despite heavy dehydration the female made the place her own immediately and didnt seem to notice the male much but the male stayed on or near the substrate for days and was skittish. That was about 1 1/2 yrs ago. They've never been aggressive. Just not too into each other.

The sikorae were a no brainer next to these guys.

I was thinking maybe it's a problem of giganteus vs fimbriatus but I found that whole genus category is a blur of mixed info too. It's interesting getting into something that hasn't been totally defined.

 

[mister3]

maybe another male introduced might spur some action. sometimes it takes some competition before one decided to copulate.

 

[NigelMoses]

It has been quite some time since I have posted on here but back when I kept fimbriatus I kept a heat lamp on their enclosure. I noticed the females laying directly under the heat quite often. With that said, it is also important to have a large enough enclosure so that the gecko can escape the heat if they choose to.

 

[miguel camacho!]

I'd like to add that if you decide to add a heat source, make sure you have adequate ventilation so the heat doesn't accumulate throughout the enclosure.