My Leo, Peach, and Her Fight With Sand Impaction

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CRMason

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In 2010 I posted, Peach's story. Here are the links to the original threads.

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...eublepharis/49735-leo-has-sand-impaction.html

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/community/leopard-geckos-other-eublepharis/49884-my-dear-peach.html

Her story seems to have had a real impact on members here and I've been asked to go into more detail about what happened and how she lived and whatnot.

I rescued a leopard gecko, Daisy, from a friend of mine who wasn't taking care of her. I took her home and she was thin as a twig and wouldn't hardly move or anything. She had a light fixture with normal lamp bulbs, sand, a heat rock, 1 hide, and no food or water in a 10gallon tank. Long story short I got her the right husbandry items (I will list all the items below) and after reading about sand impaction I got rid of the sand and replaced it with paper towel. I experimented with tiles, reptile carpet, and bark. The tiles didn't let heat get through as easily, her nails got hooked in the carpet on occasion and the bark was just plain dangerous. I got slivers from it and no way was I going to allow Daisy to be hurt. (Though it was pretty so I took a few pictures with it before removing it.)

In a few months Daisy was a whole new gecko. She was thriving. I bought her a 40 gallon breeder tank and shortly after I decided she might want a few friends. I came home with a male (Bowser) and female (Peach). I bought them from a small family owned pet store. They were the biggest best looking healthy geckos I could find. I was told that though they lived in a sand substrate, they were never fed on it so they would not eat the sand as they hunted.

At the time I didn't know about quarantining new geckos before adding them to Daisy's cage, so I came home, introduced them and that was that. They got along perfectly.

I fed them crickets every night. Daisy and Bowser would eat but I never saw Peach eat. I figured she was just having a harder adjustment. As the days went by I noticed she was much more lethargic than the other two, wouldn't eat or drink, and I started to get worried. I asked for advice on these forums and got many tips and help.

I took her to the vet and had an Xray done. She had what we feared, a sand impaction. I moved her to a smaller tank so Daisy and Bowser wouldn't stress her. I started soaking her twice a day in warm water, tried syringe feeding her chicken baby food, and gave her a small dose of cat lax. She would eat the baby food just fine but never had a bowel movement. She seemed to be perking up so I was hopeful that she would be just fine.

A day or so later she finally had a bowel movement. I had never been so happy to see poop! lol. Anyway I searched through it with toothpicks and found some sand particles in it. She was passing it! This was about day 9-10 or so of me having her.

The next day she had another bowel movement and a bit more sand came out. However she was being very lethargic again. I had so many great people on here helping me emotionally and encouraging me to keep going. I'm pretty sure I can say we were all holding our breath through this experience.

What happened next, well, I'm just going to post my original words from 2010...
Last night my husband and I started hearing Peach screaming and I took her out of the tank right away. She was trying to poop but it was hurting her so bad. She was bleeding a very little amount from her vent and I could see the sand impaction was trying to come out. I gently helped her to pass it and it was successful. It hurt the poor girl so badly but it was clear the impaction was out and it was over. We put her to bed to rest thinking she'd feel better in the morning. I also planned to take her to the vet on Monday for a recheck to make sure she was better.

I woke up this morning and my husband told me Peach didn't make it. I went to her cage and she was gone. Our best guess is the shock to her body and the damage to her intestines was too great. Ugh I told myself I wasn't going to cry again.... Anyway we said our goodbyes and put her to rest outside our apartment where she will always be close to us. We'll see her again.


Daisy, Peach, and Bowser where all large, healthy looking, adult geckos between ages 2-4 years. I had Peach for, I think it was a total of around 12 days. Everyone says it's ok to have an adult leo on sand, I will never agree with that.

Today Daisy and Bowser are happily retired from breeding. I got two very cute little leo babies. Isabel and Bella. It was a wonderful experience breeding them all on my own. Everyone is separated now into their own tanks. In his "old age" Bowser decided he was through sharing a tank with Daisy, he attacked her and I broke it up immediately. No one was really hurt but I wasn't taking any chances.

People have been wanting to know the specifics of my husbandry so here it is, as of today.

Substrate-Paper towel with no colored designs. I didn't want the ink to get on them.

Vivarium Size-Some of my leos are in 20 gallon reptile tanks, and some in 40 gallon breeder tanks. Everyone has a tank to themselves.

Heating/Humidity- Zoo Med ReptiTherm Under Tank Heater large enough so it covers 1/3 of the bottom of the tank.
Zoo Med Daylight Blue Bulb in the appropriate fixture.
Surface temperatures range from 90 degrees(ish) on the warm side to 70(ish) on the cool side. Air temperatures range from 85-75degrees
Humidity was around 60%

Lighting- ReptiSun 10.0 UVB Bulb big enough to go across the entire cage length.

Food/Vitamins-Gut loaded crickets fed everyday, dusted with Tetrafauna ReptoCal with D3 3x/week, Zoo Med ReptiCalcium without D3 3x/week, and dusted with Rep-Cal Herptivite Multivitamin 3x/week. The occasional wax worm as a treat.

Hides- In the 40 gallon there are two hides on cool side, two on warm side, and one big one in the middle with a water dish inside to create a more humid hide.There is a second water dish outside the hides, and a calcium dish. In the 20 gallon tanks there is one hide on the cool side, and one on the warm side. A water dish in the middle and a calcium dish.

All heating and lighting items are checked regularly and replaced about every 6 months.

Attached are some photos of each of them, and Peach's Xray. I lost most of my pictures of her when my old computer blue screened but was able to find a few.


Peach (at the pet store, only pic I could find)
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Peach Xray with sand impaction
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Daisy
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Bowser
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Isabel
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Daisy In Her Tank on Paper Towel
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I am afraid I don't have any pictures to upload of Bella right now.



If you have any questions please feel free to email me at crmason88@gmail.com
 
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brooksylc

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Thanks for sharing this update and reminder. The unfortunate loss of Peach will at least be used to help the fate of other geckos due to your willingness to share her story.
I'm also really glad you got to experience the magic of breeding but recognized when it was time to separate your pair. Congrats on the little leos!
 

cwatkins

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My gecko is going through impaction right now... I had gotten him off of kijiji and he was sold to me at 9 months old... The previous owners claimed to be reptile experts, yet they were keeping him on sand, and on it at such a young age.. Now I am trying to fix their wrong doing..

I brought him to the vet and he has had on poop, but none since then. He ate approximately 30 crickets before this poop so I know there is still poop that has not pass. As well as their being two impactions, or that's what it looked like on the x-ray. I wish I had taken a picture like you did...

So sorry about Peach.. Your story was truly heart breaking..
What did you first do when she was screaming to try and help her pass the impaction? I want to be prepared if this happens to Hades..
 

Elizabeth Freer

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My gecko is going through impaction right now... I had gotten him off of kijiji and he was sold to me at 9 months old... The previous owners claimed to be reptile experts, yet they were keeping him on sand, and on it at such a young age.. Now I am trying to fix their wrong doing..

I brought him to the vet and he has had on poop, but none since then. He ate approximately 30 crickets before this poop so I know there is still poop that has not pass. As well as their being two impactions, or that's what it looked like on the x-ray. I wish I had taken a picture like you did...

So sorry about Peach.. Your story was truly heart breaking..
What did you first do when she was screaming to try and help her pass the impaction? I want to be prepared if this happens to Hades..

Kudos to CRMason for sharing pictures and all!

I too have the same question cwatkins has. Her leo Hades is undergoing sand impaction right now.

Perhaps Peach had internal damage and/or the stress was just too great :'-(?

Remove all possible stressors right now, pets included.

I'm going to link this thread to CRMason's email like she has requested.
 

CRMason

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My gecko is going through impaction right now... I had gotten him off of kijiji and he was sold to me at 9 months old... The previous owners claimed to be reptile experts, yet they were keeping him on sand, and on it at such a young age.. Now I am trying to fix their wrong doing..

I brought him to the vet and he has had on poop, but none since then. He ate approximately 30 crickets before this poop so I know there is still poop that has not pass. As well as their being two impactions, or that's what it looked like on the x-ray. I wish I had taken a picture like you did...

So sorry about Peach.. Your story was truly heart breaking..
What did you first do when she was screaming to try and help her pass the impaction? I want to be prepared if this happens to Hades..

I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. I hope you don't have to experience what I did but I'll tell you what happened.

When she started screaming I looked at her and she was trying to defecate, pushing as hard as her little body could. I could see something in her vent so I put her in a shallow bowl with warm water (not too warm..just a..."gentle warm") I also grabbed a q-tip and dipped it in olive oil to try and lubricate her vent and have something to kind of pull it out of her. She and I struggled for what seemed like hours, though I think it was only minutes...then it finally popped out. I can't remember exactly what it looked like but I remember a mucusy yellow poop and a fair amount of sand. She seemed to feel better, but of course she was tired. I let her soak for a minute or so more then put her back in her cage on the warm side where she went to sleep. This all happened about 9pm, I went to bed around 1am and she was still alive then. My husband got up around 8am the next morning and she was gone. We think the mass tore her insides up and caused her to pass.

Again I hope it doesn't come to this, but honestly..I'd rather you know not to get your hopes up like I did..I thought she would be just fine after she passed it. Only to be devastated the next morning. I don't know if I did the right thing with the water and oil, but it was the only thing I could think of at the time.

On another note, if you want a copy of your xrays you can ask the vet for them. The emergency vet I went to gave me a disk with the xray on it.
 

cwatkins

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I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. I hope you don't have to experience what I did but I'll tell you what happened.

When she started screaming I looked at her and she was trying to defecate, pushing as hard as her little body could. I could see something in her vent so I put her in a shallow bowl with warm water (not too warm..just a..."gentle warm") I also grabbed a q-tip and dipped it in olive oil to try and lubricate her vent and have something to kind of pull it out of her. She and I struggled for what seemed like hours, though I think it was only minutes...then it finally popped out. I can't remember exactly what it looked like but I remember a mucusy yellow poop and a fair amount of sand. She seemed to feel better, but of course she was tired. I let her soak for a minute or so more then put her back in her cage on the warm side where she went to sleep. This all happened about 9pm, I went to bed around 1am and she was still alive then. My husband got up around 8am the next morning and she was gone. We think the mass tore her insides up and caused her to pass.

Again I hope it doesn't come to this, but honestly..I'd rather you know not to get your hopes up like I did..I thought she would be just fine after she passed it. Only to be devastated the next morning. I don't know if I did the right thing with the water and oil, but it was the only thing I could think of at the time.

On another note, if you want a copy of your xrays you can ask the vet for them. The emergency vet I went to gave me a disk with the xray on it.

Oh, okay. If it comes down to that I will try that. He has another vet appointment tomorrow, so I will ask them about it too. I will also ask them about getting a copy of the x-ray so I can show other users as well.. Hopefully this could help demonstrate another case of why not to use sand as a substrate..
Thank you again.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Oh, okay. If it comes down to that I will try that. He has another vet appointment tomorrow, so I will ask them about it too. I will also ask them about getting a copy of the x-ray so I can show other users as well.. Hopefully this could help demonstrate another case of why not to use sand as a substrate..
Thank you again.

Good wishes to you and leo Hades at your vet appointment later today. Perhaps you might even share his x-rays on this thread?

Wish there was some method for breaking up an impaction in a leopard gecko similar to what happens to people who have kidney stones???
 

cwatkins

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Here is the picture of Hades' X-ray. One picture is taken from by looking at his belly, and one from looking at his back but I am not sure what one. The top one it is more clear to see the impaction, I couldn't really see the second smaller one but the vet said he saw it so I went with him.
The bottom one is harder to make out though.
 

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XoVictoryXo

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I just want to say thank you to the beautiful Miss Peach, you have saved many gecko lives with your story. I'm sorry what happened to you and I hope you are now running around pain free and wild with an infinite supply of insects.
CRMason thank you so much for sharing your story. I too had suffered the consequences from using sand, My leo Rex suffered a prolapse while he struggled to pass substrate, luckily he recovered (thanks to geckosunlimited CRICKET) and neither of my leo's suffered from impaction. We all do the best we can and learn from our mistakes.
Unfortunately the information for keeping leopard geckos healthy is hard to obtain unless you search very hard and happen to find THIS PLACE. I am so grateful for this place saving my gecko's lives from my ignorance!
 

CRMason

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Here is the picture of Hades' X-ray. One picture is taken from by looking at his belly, and one from looking at his back but I am not sure what one. The top one it is more clear to see the impaction, I couldn't really see the second smaller one but the vet said he saw it so I went with him.
The bottom one is harder to make out though.

The impactions don't look at bad, which is a good thing. Hopefully he'll be ok. I am pretty sure the top one is taken with Hades on his back and the bottom with Hades standing.
 

cwatkins

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The impactions don't look at bad, which is a good thing. Hopefully he'll be ok. I am pretty sure the top one is taken with Hades on his back and the bottom with Hades standing.

Yeah, the vet said since he wasn't lethargic or anything and was still a bright yellow that he should be fine. He had another poop today! Whoo! :yahoo: :biggrin: So hopefully he will get it all out soon :)

And thanks for clearing that up for me!
 

CRMason

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Yeah, the vet said since he wasn't lethargic or anything and was still a bright yellow that he should be fine. He had another poop today! Whoo! :yahoo: :biggrin: So hopefully he will get it all out soon :)

And thanks for clearing that up for me!

Just keep doing what you're doing sweetheart. Another thing that I think helps is when you hold him don't feel bad or sorry for him. Keep your energy calm and positive. Visualize him healthy and better. Giving him that energy can help him. It may sound silly but it has helped my pets.

Blessed Be
 

cwatkins

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Just keep doing what you're doing sweetheart. Another thing that I think helps is when you hold him don't feel bad or sorry for him. Keep your energy calm and positive. Visualize him healthy and better. Giving him that energy can help him. It may sound silly but it has helped my pets.

Blessed Be

Thanks :)
I will definitely try that! I imagine it can't do any harm!
 

iluvfoals

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I have heard many bad rumors about sand, and this sad story has made me beleive them. I'll never use sand, thanks to Peach.But, she probably has saved gecko's lives with that story... ):
 

Joey1

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Leopard gecko--HARM of sand - YouTube

There was a better video where a kid put a few drops of water on the sand and it became clumpy almost like a pebble, he stated well that if the Leo eats it, there are liquids and moister of sorts in the geckos body/organs, so it doesn't take much imagination to determine what's going on inside the animal... It's sad, but I never liked the idea of using sand anyway. . .
 
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