Help with lizard!!!

[Number1Sticky]

I'm not sure how to explain it other then my leo looks like she's going flat. It looks like her bones are giving out on her and she's way too skinny. I've been feeding her 10 crickets a day for over a week now. Before I was feeding her 8 - 10 crickets about 5 times a week.

I was doing flukers calcium with d3 twice a week and reptivite multivitamin with d3 2 - 3 times a week (that's what the lady at the reptile store recommended). But was told that is too much d3. Could that be what is causing this?

Right now I'm giving her the reptivite with d3 once a week and NOW calcium every other week.

When I get them in the mail I'll be doing Zoo Med D3 Repti Calcium once a week and the Zoo Med's Reptivite without D3 every other week.

I know that's really confusing, sorry.

I can't afford to take her to the vet right now. But I want her to get better.

 

[Number1Sticky]

 

[Number1Sticky]

Also she just started looking like this yesterday. She's been skinny but nothing like this.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I'm not sure how to explain it other then my leo looks like she's going flat. It looks like her bones are giving out on her and she's way too skinny. I've been feeding her 10 crickets a day for over a week now. Before I was feeding her 8 - 10 crickets about 5 times a week.

I was doing flukers calcium with d3 twice a week and reptivite multivitamin with d3 2 - 3 times a week (that's what the lady at the reptile store recommended). But was told that is too much d3. Could that be what is causing this?

Right now I'm giving her the reptivite with d3 once a week and NOW calcium every other week.

When I get them in the mail I'll be doing Zoo Med D3 Repti Calcium once a week and the Zoo Med's Reptivite without D3 every other week.

I know that's really confusing, sorry.

I can't afford to take her to the vet right now. But I want her to get better.

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You're correct. Something is wrong with your leo! Some of her joints seem unusually thick.

• How long had you been using Fluker's D3 calcium + Zoo Med's Reptivite with D3 in those super high weekly D3 doses?
• Had you been following the adapted Feeding & Supplement Schedule prior to getting the Flukers D3 Calcium?
• Have you pictures of her when you got her?
• How long have you had her?

Please share a video of your leo and continue right on this thread. Background info from your prior threads will be helpful.

 

[Number1Sticky]

You're correct. Something is wrong with your leo! Some of her joints seem unusually thick.

• How long had you been using Fluker's D3 calcium + Zoo Med's Reptivite with D3 in those super high weekly D3 doses?
• Had you been following the adapted Feeding & Supplement Schedule prior to getting the Flukers D3 Calcium?
• Have you pictures of her when you got her?
• How long have you had her?

Please share a video of your leo and continue right on this thread. Background info from your prior threads will be helpful.

I've been doing the high doses of d3 since probably about November. The lady at the reptile store said she might be skinny because of lack of d3 and calcium. That's why she recommended upping it.

Before that I was using your schedule with the repitivite with d3 and the now calcium.

Not currently. But when I get home I can pull some old ones up.

I've had her for almost 10 years and she's never had any issues before this.

She did have a sister that passed away a few months ago. I don't know if that matters.

When I get home I will take a video of her.

 

[Number1Sticky]

 

[Number1Sticky]

Sorry the video is such bad quality and dark. It was stressing her out to have the flash on.

 

[Number1Sticky]

This is also her from about 6 years ago. Since then I have gotten rid of the sand.

 

[Number1Sticky]

These are old pictures of her.
Nevada by Erin P. | Photobucket

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

This is also her from about 6 years ago. Since then I have gotten rid of the sand.

These are old pictures of her.
Nevada by Erin P. | Photobucket

Oh my goodness, Erin, your leo Nevada is dreadfully thin! There is significant thickening in her joints, especially in her knees! She has some serious problems. A visit with an experienced exotics vet is her best hope.

I had hoped to catch Nevada walking around a little to evaluate her gait.

Where were we when she needed us? I'm not sure how much she can bounce back. How did her cagemate die? Was her cagemate thin when she passed away?

Please feed her daily all she will eat, yet dust only as the schedule suggests. Can you buy some very small hornworms for her?

Does she always have fresh water available? Can you order some Oxbow's Carnivore Care from Amazon? It's an all-in-one powder you mix with water. The downside of Carnivore Care is that it should not be used beyond 7 days after opening, so you might order several small packages.

Is there anything unusual in her care that you can share?

 

[Number1Sticky]

Oh my goodness, Erin, your leo Nevada is dreadfully thin! There is significant thickening in her joints, especially in her knees! She has some serious problems. A visit with an experienced exotics vet is her best hope.

I had hoped to catch Nevada walking around a little to evaluate her gait.

Where were we when she needed us? I'm not sure how much she can bounce back. How did her cagemate die? Was her cagemate thin when she passed away?

Please feed her daily all she will eat, yet dust only as the schedule suggests. Can you buy some very small hornworms for her?

Does she always have fresh water available? Can you order some Oxbow's Carnivore Care from Amazon? It's an all-in-one powder you mix with water. The downside of Carnivore Care is that it should not be used beyond 7 days after opening, so you might order several small packages.

Is there anything unusual in her care that you can share?

As far as I can tell her sister passed away from natural causes.

I can get hornworms. What about waxworms? I can get those too. Which would be better? And how many a day?

She does always have fresh water. I check it daily. Along with her humidity cave, temps and humidity level.

I will look to see how soon I can get some of the oxbow stuff from amazon. I also know of a pet store in my area that sells it.

Not really I've been doing to same thing with her for a while and she's always been fine. The only thing I can think of is the recent change in her diet. But I only changed that because she was losing weight.

I also cleaned her tank out with the zoo med wipe out. But I made sure all the stuff was dry before putting it back in her tank. But I did notice the sudden drop in her health the day after I used it.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

As far as I can tell her sister passed away from natural causes.

I can get hornworms. What about waxworms? I can get those too. Which would be better? And how many a day?

She does always have fresh water. I check it daily. Along with her humidity cave, temps and humidity level.

I will look to see how soon I can get some of the oxbow stuff from amazon. I also know of a pet store in my area that sells it.

Not really I've been doing to same thing with her for a while and she's always been fine. The only thing I can think of is the recent change in her diet. But I only changed that because she was losing weight.

I also cleaned her tank out with the zoo med wipe out. But I made sure all the stuff was dry before putting it back in her tank. But I did notice the sudden drop in her health the day after I used it.

I doubt that the increased D3 supplementation via Fluker's calcium with D3 + Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins with D3 helped Nevada.

Was Nevada's sister thin when she passed away? Was her sister a clutchmate or related?

I wonder whether there were any toxic fumes remaining from the Zoo Med Wipe Out?

Small hornworms will be MUCH better than waxworms, for sure! Try some out.

Partial hornworm analysis
Protein: 9%
Fat: 3.07%
Calcium: 46.4mg/100mg
Moisture: 85%

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...eeding-issues-/68585-hornworm-guidelines.html

 

[Samurai Drifter]

D3 serves the function of breaking down calcium; while this makes it an essential nutrient, it also means that too much D3 breaks down ALL the calcium, and results in just as severe a calcium deficiency as if your gecko wasn't being given any supplements.

With the schedule you're using, it's possible your Leo has MBD, which is basically bone deformities caused by calcium deficiency. You should not dust with D3 more than about once per week.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

D3 serves the function of breaking down calcium; while this makes it an essential nutrient, it also means that too much D3 breaks down ALL the calcium, and results in just as severe a calcium deficiency as if your gecko wasn't being given any supplements.

With the schedule you're using, it's possible your Leo has MBD, which is basically bone deformities caused by calcium deficiency. You should not dust with D3 more than about once per week.

:yahoo:

 

[Number1Sticky]

I doubt that the increased D3 supplementation via Fluker's calcium with D3 + Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins with D3 helped Nevada.

Was Nevada's sister thin when she passed away? Was her sister a clutchmate or related?

I wonder whether there were any toxic fumes remaining from the Zoo Med Wipe Out?

Small hornworms will be MUCH better than waxworms, for sure! Try some out.

Partial hornworm analysis
Protein: 9%
Fat: 3.07%
Calcium: 46.4mg/100mg
Moisture: 85%

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...eeding-issues-/68585-hornworm-guidelines.html

She was a little thin. But not bad. I had started feeding her more. I honestly don't know if they were related. I believe they were. But they were at least 3 months apart. I got them from someone that didn't want them anymore when they were about 6 and 9 months old. So I don't know much about them before that. But they looked almost identical and I believe were purchased from the same breeder/pet store.

It says it's safe for reptile. I hope that wasn't what caused it.

How often should I give get hornworms?

 

[Number1Sticky]

D3 serves the function of breaking down calcium; while this makes it an essential nutrient, it also means that too much D3 breaks down ALL the calcium, and results in just as severe a calcium deficiency as if your gecko wasn't being given any supplements.

With the schedule you're using, it's possible your Leo has MBD, which is basically bone deformities caused by calcium deficiency. You should not dust with D3 more than about once per week.

I thought that was too much. But that's what I was told to do. I'm really upset by that now.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

She was a little thin. But not bad. I had started feeding her more. I honestly don't know if they were related. I believe they were. But they were at least 3 months apart. I got them from someone that didn't want them anymore when they were about 6 and 9 months old. So I don't know much about them before that. But they looked almost identical and I believe were purchased from the same breeder/pet store.

It says it's safe for reptile. I hope that wasn't what caused it.

How often should I give get hornworms?

You want to feed Nevada often, all she will eat.

Can you buy a few very small hornworns at a time? They mushroom into little turquoise monsters quickly if not kept in a picnic cooler. See the hornworm link.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

D3 serves the function of breaking down calcium; while this makes it an essential nutrient, it also means that too much D3 breaks down ALL the calcium, and results in just as severe a calcium deficiency as if your gecko wasn't being given any supplements.

With the schedule you're using, it's possible your Leo has MBD, which is basically bone deformities caused by calcium deficiency. You should not dust with D3 more than about once per week.

I thought that was too much. But that's what I was told to do. I'm really upset by that now.

Erin ~ Are you interested in sharing Samurai Drifter's info with the pet store? Her info is user friendly. That might prevent other leos/geckos from getting MBD from a D3 overdose.

 

[Number1Sticky]

You want to feed Nevada often, all she will eat.

Can you buy a few very small hornworns at a time? They mushroom into little turquoise monsters quickly if not kept in a picnic cooler. See the hornworm link.

I've been feeding her 10 a day and when I went to feed her today there were still some left over. But I know she is still eating. So at least she's still eating.

I can pick her up some hornworms tomorrow. The reptile store was closed today.

 

[Number1Sticky]

Erin ~ Are you interested in sharing Samurai Drifter's info with the pet store? Her info is user friendly. That might prevent other leos/geckos from getting MBD from a D3 overdose.

I did mention to her when she was telling me about all the d3 that I thought that was too much and she basically said it was fine. But I will mention to her tomorrow what is happening with mine because of it.