Pictures of hamm 12/08

[TM Geckos]

La bourse (salle des gradins):




Philothamnus sp. et Opheodrys aestivus all WC hélas

Furcifer pardalis



A stunning Furcifer pardalis from Sune Jensen (I didn't see you )

Abronia graminea



Lygodactylus williamsi (maybe next year )

Quelques morilles

Une de Kafiau qui a la jaunisse :lol:








Elaphe mandarina locality Vietnam
La photo ne lui rend pas hommage au niveau du jaune hélas




A few geckos from Fred (Kanopy) and David.



Rhacodactylus chaouha

Nephrurus wheeleri cinctus



BCI salmon pastel



BCI jungle

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little O. p. coxi



Python reticulatus "caramel" . hét for ivory




GIla monster




PR up : ivory pastel downdesert ghost

 

[Calfirecap]

Hamm, tell me more

I keep hearing about "Hamm" as the reptile show to go to, but I really know nothing about it. I see great some pics of some unusual animals but what else is it about Hamm that makes it a "must see"? Is it the biggest European show? Is it more of an international event than say the Daytona show? How often is it held? I also keep seeing people looking for Uroplatus for the Hamm show, are they difficult to find there or easy?

Lawrence

 

[raavig]

As far as i am informed, the spring and fall show, should be the largest reptile expos in the world. Beside the two shows, there is also a show in december. So 3 in total.
About the uro´s, i saw many guentheri this time, but nothing else as far as i remember.

 

[ciliatus]

Hamm show is the biggest show in Europe. I dont know about the size compared to Daytona, since i havent been there yet. In Hamm are a lot of international exhibitors from all over Europe and even some from the US.

Uroplatus are hard to get here, since no WC may be imported anymore. I saw 1,0 Uroplatus phantasticus, 1,2 Uroplatus ebenaui, 0,1 Uroplatus sikorae sameiti and some U. guentheri. They are def. easier to get and cheaper in the US:

Here are some pics of the last show in December, but i have to say, there were really few visitors. In September there are usually double or 3 times more visitors, so you cant even get to the tables and have a look.

This is one of the smaller halls before the visitors could get in:

Here you can see about half of the large main hall:

outside tent:

entrance hall:

I didnt make pics of the venomous room and an additional small room. But thats about it.

regards

Ingo

 

[sune jensen]

Funny to see pics of the show.
Alexandre, I was there but only with prereserved stuff. The pardalis on my table were from a friend.
Lawrence, I suppose Hamm is the biggest show for reptile hobbyists worldwide. It is very much the place to be to meet people and find stuff you cant find elsewhere. Some of the more expensive and sought after stuff is presold and is never seen on a table, but if you are into the obscure and strange never-heard-of-that-one geckoninae, there is usually also a few WC goodies to pick up.
But a piece of advice: That place is crowded....I mean really crowded, and for a first time visitor a very stressfull place. Make sure to have reservations and contancts established before you go, and make sure to get in before 10 with the vendors if you can.

Sune

 

[Calfirecap]

Thanks Ingo, Sune, and raavig

I appreciate your responses. It does sound like the place to check out but probably a little difficult being that I don't speak German. I was thinking about paying for the trip by bringing in some C.B. Uroplatus and maybe getting a table, but the pre-sale thing sound like a good way to go. I'm sure there is some sort of process to go through to prove that my geckos are C.B. Any idea on how that is done?

Lawrence

 

[kanopy]

Lawrence,
I have been told by an importer here in Europe that there's an office (in Washington I believe) that can issue a paper stating the captive born nature of the specimens. Nevertheless, he also told me that this is a long process (at least 6 months to get it) and that would brake most breeders in their willing to export Uroplatus to Europe.
That's unfortunate as you can be sure Uroplatus sp are in high demand here and most people will pay much more here for them than in US.
From another hand, he also told me the procedure is much more simple/fast from canada.
Regards,
Fred
PS:not speaking german is really not a problem at Hamm as either the breeders speak english or you can easily find people that can translate.

 

[ciliatus]

I was thinking about paying for the trip by bringing in some C.B. Uroplatus and maybe getting a table, but the pre-sale thing sound like a good way to go.

CB Uroplatus. :biggrin::idea::yahoo:

Ill be your translator all day. LOOL But seriously you wont need one. Most people here talk English very well.

greets

Ingo

 

[Palex134]

Great pics, looks like an awesome show. Do you remember what the Abronia or L. williamsi were going for? Thanks

 

[TM Geckos]

Abronia were already sold, I have luck to see a person with them in the hands in the venom room and he allowed me to take some photos.

L. williamsi were between 350 and 400 euros for a pair but I think ther were some cheaper maybe.

 

[jeroen de kruyk]

Abronia were already sold, I have luck to see a person with them in the hands in the venom room and he allowed me to take some photos.

L. williamsi were between 350 and 400 euros for a pair but I think ther were some cheaper maybe.

those price are lower now. i Could get them for 200 euros.
there are legal imports now here in europe.
as i heard the deal was 2000 specimens each year.

the date for this years show are:

13-09-2008
6-12-2008 or`13-12-2008

i have to check.

regards,

jeroen.

 

[niccoliherp]

Man, I'm going to have to go there at some point. That looks like a great show.

 

[jaswa]

exporting Uroplatys geckos to Europe

Hey folks,

Thanks for the posts and pics of Hamm...looks like a fun place. I'll be heading over to Rheda, Germany for the Breeders Expo on April 12th, so next month. It has a huge list of vendors lined up so should be good and they booked a larger venue so more room for people to shop. Here's the link:

BEE Start Page

Fred is right about exporting CB animals if they are CITES listed. The paperwork isn't too complicated to fill out, maybe 20 minutes of work, but there is a $100 fee, and you wait for about 90 days for the permit to be issued, due to backlog. I have the number for the CITES authority out of Virginia if anyone wants it?

Once the CITES docs are recieved, you would have 6 months to ship the animals you've applied for, and USFW requires and export license (another $100), an inspection from USFW inspectors ($55 and up depending on when the shipment goes out...more on the weekends). Delta Cargo will ship live animals to Europe for about $250 in cargo fees. Then there is the Vet Health certificate which is $40-60 depending on your vet. I've imported and exported from Europe a few times with Abronia. You run into broker fees as well if the value of the shipment is over $2,000. Those can be around $350. I usually clear customs and USFW myself as I've learned all the steps, but it was a lot of trial and error over the years. To be honest, I hate the shipping process becasue it takes so much time and money...but once you've done it a few times, I guess its worth it to get really cool animals. It would have to be a large shipment of Uros to justify the effort and cost.

What do Uroplaytus geckos sell for in Europe?

Jason

 

[Peter B]

guentheri round 120$ -150 for males and juvies, 200$ and up for females

henkeli 225$ to 450$ for juvies and males

lineatus 750-900$ a pair (males 300$, females up to 500$)

phantasticus 300$ males, 600$ females.

All CB

One tip: take good care of every WC uroplatus in the U.S.

 

[DDReptiles]

guentheri round 120$ -150 for males and juvies, 200$ and up for females

henkeli 225$ to 450$ for juvies and males

lineatus 750-900$ a pair (males 300$, females up to 500$)

phantasticus 300$ males, 600$ females.

All CB

One tip: take good care of every WC uroplatus in the U.S.

:yikes::shock: Thats expensive, though I guess reasonable for CB animals.