baldy & 4 eyes
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first one looks like a normal, I have never bred normals so I'm not sure.
second would be a hypo %100 het albino.
-Nate
second would be a hypo %100 het albino.
-Nate
lifeshighways
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Hey Nate, how did you know, or rather - where did you learn to tell... that the wee one she showed pics of was "100% Ablino"
I'm trying to figure all this het for hypo for nozygosiousssm/lsdkyf for (*LOL*)out and really would like to know how you knew that by the info she gave and the picture she showed... and while I'm asking - what the heck is a hybino?
Like I told Ethan this morning - if you ask me about my hatchlings - right now you're going to get "cutexcute" or "bright yellow with black spots x white with no tail".... I would like to be a bit more educated than that one day *LOL*
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would you like to learn base genetics so you can teach yourself? Because I suck at explaining it, mainly cuz I'm a slow typer!!!
Leopard Gecko Genetics -Basic genetics
Category:Morphs - Leopard Gecko Wiki - Explanation of the morphs
-Nate
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lifeshighways
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THATS AWESOME!!!! Thank you so much - I just printed the whole genetics page, and will read it word for word tonight!
Something I read while parusing it....(spelled wrong I know) was
PS: Maria, sorry to have went off topic of your thread, I'll be happy to move this private if you want...
Something I read while parusing it....(spelled wrong I know) was
why do you have to start with siblings? Why cant you start with two completely different geckos? did I read that wrong....
PS: Maria, sorry to have went off topic of your thread, I'll be happy to move this private if you want...
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no problem.
this is showing you how to create albinos with only one albino.
in order to not have to breed siblings together, you would have to start with 2 albinos.. and in that case, why wouldn't you just breed your 2 albinos together!!!
-Nate
I don't mind and its not really off topic and quite interesting anyway!
This is mum
and I just read the Wiki page too - only done a little research on genetics before - according to that wiki article, mum isnt a hypo she's a superhypo - does she look like a super hypo to you?
Also, I currently have 3 other hatchlings from the same parents, 2 look like normals, 1 has lighter coloured dark bands if that makes sense. They can't all be hypos because they have black bands so are they all normals 100% het albino? I know the hypo make-up is polygenetic so it's all a bit hit and miss anyway isn't it?Also, how can an offspring be 100%het albino when the albino gene is recessive?
Maria:?
This is mum
and I just read the Wiki page too - only done a little research on genetics before - according to that wiki article, mum isnt a hypo she's a superhypo - does she look like a super hypo to you?
Also, I currently have 3 other hatchlings from the same parents, 2 look like normals, 1 has lighter coloured dark bands if that makes sense. They can't all be hypos because they have black bands so are they all normals 100% het albino? I know the hypo make-up is polygenetic so it's all a bit hit and miss anyway isn't it?Also, how can an offspring be 100%het albino when the albino gene is recessive?
Maria:?
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I don't have much time, I gotta take care of the collection, so I will touch on this now, and the rest tomorrow if no one else does.
If you have one albino, and 1 non albino, all of the babies will look normal, but they will all carry the gene for albino.
if this doesn't make sense, lol, I will expand tomorrow!!!
-Nate
It sorta makes sense.
If I'm thinking right then it works out that even if they're carrying the gene you're still not guaranteed an albino offspring for them. So you could have an albino and an albino and still not get albino offspring?
Like I said - hit and miss yeah?
Thanks Nate, hope the collection are all well!
Maria
PS if you get chance tomorrow let me know if you think the mum is hypo or super hypo. Cheers.
If I'm thinking right then it works out that even if they're carrying the gene you're still not guaranteed an albino offspring for them. So you could have an albino and an albino and still not get albino offspring?
Like I said - hit and miss yeah?
Thanks Nate, hope the collection are all well!
Maria
PS if you get chance tomorrow let me know if you think the mum is hypo or super hypo. Cheers.
lifeshighways
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Yes Nate, please take care of those babes... they need ya, us gecko addicts will still be here tomorrow with our learning sponges!
I had heard what Nate said before - about 1 albino 1 non ablino and all being normal looking and het for albino... either he and I read the same article or he knows what he says *LOL* (probably both)
Anyway, as for what your babies look like now... as I said before, give them about 5 mths to form a more perminant look to them.. my lil Vendetta has changed so much.. Her daddy is a WC Normal, and her mommy is a Tremper Albino Lavendar Phase.... and well you see her.. she looks ALOT like daddy and a lil like mommy.. in fact.. here is a picture of her mom and dad!
I had heard what Nate said before - about 1 albino 1 non ablino and all being normal looking and het for albino... either he and I read the same article or he knows what he says *LOL* (probably both)
Anyway, as for what your babies look like now... as I said before, give them about 5 mths to form a more perminant look to them.. my lil Vendetta has changed so much.. Her daddy is a WC Normal, and her mommy is a Tremper Albino Lavendar Phase.... and well you see her.. she looks ALOT like daddy and a lil like mommy.. in fact.. here is a picture of her mom and dad!
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Nice geckos!
I'm sorta getting the hang of it now but it gets fuddled when you throw in a polygenetic type with a recessive type!
I have a group of 4 normals as well and the male looks just like yours, mine's about 10 years old now but still a ho**y little beggar! :lol:
Produced 4 babies so far this year, another 18 eggs in incubator from him and the girls.
Recently got a mack snow (dont get me confused now with co-dominant genes!!!) and hoping to breed her with albino male next year.
Possible outcomes....lemme know if I'm wrong!
albino x albino = het for albino regardless of what they look like, could look like albino or normal?
hypo x albino = as above but also could look like hypos?
albino x mack snow = mack snow het albino & normal het albino?
mack snow x normal = mack snow, normal & het mack snow?
mack snow x mack snow = super mack snow?
:scratchhead:
Maria
I'm sorta getting the hang of it now but it gets fuddled when you throw in a polygenetic type with a recessive type!
I have a group of 4 normals as well and the male looks just like yours, mine's about 10 years old now but still a ho**y little beggar! :lol:
Produced 4 babies so far this year, another 18 eggs in incubator from him and the girls.
Recently got a mack snow (dont get me confused now with co-dominant genes!!!) and hoping to breed her with albino male next year.
Possible outcomes....lemme know if I'm wrong!
albino x albino = het for albino regardless of what they look like, could look like albino or normal?
hypo x albino = as above but also could look like hypos?
albino x mack snow = mack snow het albino & normal het albino?
mack snow x normal = mack snow, normal & het mack snow?
mack snow x mack snow = super mack snow?
:scratchhead:
Maria
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a couple mistakes, but overall you did pretty well there!
albino x albino = %100 albino
hypo x albino = hypos, hypo -ish and normals all 100% het albino
mack snow x normal = %50 mack snows, %50 normals
Mack snow x mack snow = %50 mack snow, %50 super snow
-Nate
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Okay guys so my question is... You've seen all but one of my leos... the one you havent seen is a SHCT (not sure about the carrot tail part, it's very small amount) but anywho... the point is.. other than Vendetta, I dont know the husbandry on any of my leos... which I imagine would be the case for many "beginners"... So, since I havent a clue what their leniage is.. when I breed them.. lets say.. I breed my two blizzards together.. the male with the "snake or enigma" eyes.. with the female with regular eyes.. lets say.. OUT pops a blizzard with solid black eyes... would it be safe then for me to say I have a 100% enigma baby of which I would breed with something else (not a sibling ofcourse) later on down the line.. but is that how people get started? Obviously not every single gecko comes with a family tree... we cant know what they are "het" for.. since not necessarily are het traits noticeable to the naked eye... is anyone at all following me? because I feel like I may have just lost myself *LOL*....
HELP! *LOL* I'm confused!
HELP! *LOL* I'm confused!
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lifeshighways
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okay...
if I bought two geckos from two different lets say "pet chains"... knowing there's a very high likelyhood they are no where near realted... lets say they are both blizzards...
One has one solid black eye, one snake eye
One has two normal grey speckled eyes
Neither have any other "noticible morphs present"
2 eggs are hatched
both appear to be blizzards - (btw, this is all made up)
one is born with two solid black eyes...
is it first - possible?
second, would it be safe to say then I have a blizzard hatching with engima eyes?
I dont know any of the genetics behind the two "random" purchased blizzards.. therefore I dont know if either are het for enigma...
if I bought two geckos from two different lets say "pet chains"... knowing there's a very high likelyhood they are no where near realted... lets say they are both blizzards...
One has one solid black eye, one snake eye
One has two normal grey speckled eyes
Neither have any other "noticible morphs present"
2 eggs are hatched
both appear to be blizzards - (btw, this is all made up)
one is born with two solid black eyes...
is it first - possible?
second, would it be safe to say then I have a blizzard hatching with engima eyes?
I dont know any of the genetics behind the two "random" purchased blizzards.. therefore I dont know if either are het for enigma...
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1st off, you cannot have a 'het' enigma. The way the enigma gene works is you either have an enigma, or you don't.
The solid black eye you are talking about is called 'eclipse', it is a random eye mutation that has not been proved genetic. so it is just pure luck that it would turn out like that.
Enigma - Leopard Gecko Wiki
Eclipse - Leopard Gecko Wiki
-Nate
