Thoughts on UV in a 20 gal habitat

cybersis38

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Hi, I am fairly new to being a Leo mom and have read that a UV bulb should not be used in a tank under 4 ft long. I was told to purchase one by a local pet store. It is a Zoo Med ReptiSun UVB Mini Compact Fluorescent that is in a deep dome fixture. I guess my main concern is that I should not be using this. I have stopped offering calcium with D3 because he gets that from the UV. If I shouldn't use it, what should I be using instead? At the time I was setting up my habitat, I was so frustrated by all the conflicting information I was getting from different sources. I just want to do this right so my Leo is happy and healthy.
 
Hi there, and welcome to the exciting, confusing, and at times down right frustrating world of keeping leopard geckos.

These are the facts to the best of my knowledge, and I hope they help you. If anyone has knowledge to the contrary, please feel free to correct me.

1) For the vast majority of the time leopard geckos have been kept in captivity, it has been thought they don't really need the UV lights because they are nocturnal (actually, crepuscular if you want to get nit-picky)

2) Relatively recently, some people have started using UV lights based on the theory that leopard geckos would be exposed to low levels of UV radiation in the evenings and mornings in the wild.

3) There is limited research out there on the subject, and many people who do use UV lights disagree on how to use them.

4) Because this is a relatively recent trend, and because the technology behind the UV bulbs is evolving, to the best of my knowledge there has not been any comparisons of the health of UV-exposed leopard geckos vs. non-UV-exposed leopard geckos over the course of their lifetime.

5) Of my three leopard geckos, each has their own tolerance for light in general. With that in mind, if I used a UV light, all three would be exposed to it for different amounts of time. How do I know which ones are getting enough and which are getting too much?

6) For many years now, leopard geckos have been successfully kept without UV lights into their late teens and even older.

Conclusion: I prefer to use a good calcium powder with D3 and forgo the UV lights until there is more sound research and methodology behind the use of UV bulbs for leopard geckos. I prefer to have something a little more substantial than a handful of hobbyist's opinions, even though they could be right.

I hope that helps, and I hope others share their thoughts. Good luck.
 

kholtme

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Hi there, and welcome to the exciting, confusing, and at times down right frustrating world of keeping leopard geckos.

Haha thats great! and very true. I dont know much about using UV lighting with leopard geckos, or UV lighting at all. But many people have successfully keep their leos for 15 years or long with out UV lighting, which is longer than they live in the wild. So I would agree with tj. And there is a lot of conflicting information, but some of that can be helped if you just ignore everything the chain pet stores tell you. I only trust information from this site because its not just one person that you have no idea who they are, where on this forum its a bunch of people that can say what they know. And you still dont know the people on this forum but you can get a grasp of who they are, and others can agree or disagree with them.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Hi tj ~

I am thinking about copying your well written post #2 above onto a post following that Leo Caresheet you see everywhere here. What do you think?
 
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cybersis38

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Thanks for your insights everyone. The recommendation to go with the UV surprisingly did not come from a chain store. I actually purchased my Leo and all my lighting from a reptile "specialist" who told me that it's what they use in the store. He actually had some impressive credentials.

So if I choose to forgo using the UV, what are your recommendations for a daytime bulb then?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Thanks for your insights everyone. The recommendation to go with the UV surprisingly did not come from a chain store. I actually purchased my Leo and all my lighting from a reptile "specialist" who told me that it's what they use in the store. He actually had some impressive credentials.

So if I choose to forgo using the UV, what are your recommendations for a daytime bulb then?

Leos don't like bright lights at all.

Is your 20 gallon a long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches?

  • If so, I'd get an 11 x 17 inch UTH. Flukers and Ultratherm make that size. Ultratherm has high recommendations from a friend of mine. Both are available from Amazon.
  • If necessary, I'd get a 10 inch diameter dome fixture to house a CHE (ceramic heat emitter) for heat to warm the air.
  • If your enclosure has access to daylight from a distant window, that's good. If you wish some more tips, a photoperiod bulb overhead will also be good.
Having a thermostat for your UTH is strongly recommended. I like those Hydrofarm MTPRTC thermostats.

If you package these things on Amazon, you can get free shipping. :)
 
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cybersis38

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Yes, my 20 gal is the dimensions you specify. The habitat is not by any windows where it would get any sunlight. I do have an 11x11 UTH on a thermostat. What do you mean by a photoperiod bulb? A regular flourescent?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Yes, my 20 gal is the dimensions you specify. The habitat is not by any windows where it would get any sunlight. I do have an 11x11 UTH on a thermostat. What do you mean by a photoperiod bulb? A regular flourescent?

An 11 x 11 UTH is OK. Nice that it's hooked to a thermostat. :)

Not a fluorescent tube or compact fluorescent bulb. That's way too bright and stressful for leos.

Here's the scoop on the photoperiod lighting I use. It does not exactly mimic conditions found in the wild, but it seems my leo is more out and about since I began using it.

Photoperiod Dome containing Low Wattage Incandescent
A proper photoperiod is all about mimicking lighting (& heating) the particular reptile would experience in its natural environment. Short of having an expensive computer-controlled system that tweaks the lighting second by second, well minute by minute anyway, we can only approximate this goal.

To better meet the crepuscular needs of leopard geckos, place a low wattage bulb (15 watt standard incandescent bulb) dimmed to half power inside a 5.5 inch diameter fixture in the center of the screen top and right next to the Ceramic Heat Emitting bulb.

Vary the on-time monthly of both the CHE and the photoperiod bulb according to this Pakistan link. For example, 11 hours ON in February is good.

Click: http://www.timebie.com/sun/pakistan.php

In addition I somewhat shield the light from my photoperiod bulb by a tall silk palm tree in the center of the enclosure. Some natural daylight via distant windows and a sliding glass door further tweaks those methods.
 
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kholtme

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Elizabeth, do you have to tweak the settings everyday? Just looked at the link you fixed and the light is different day by day, just curious.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Elizabeth, do you have to tweak the settings everyday? Just looked at the link you fixed and the light is different day by day, just curious.

The link shows daylight as it varies from day to day. The only way to mimic that is to buy computer controlled lighting. IMO, leopard geckos are more forgiving.

My photoperiod bulb is on a dimmer and a timer. Usually I keep the timer settings the same year round. The natural daylight in that room varies daily. :)
 
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kholtme

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Now I can see the advantages of the device if your geckos set up is in a room with no natural light. But is it of any use for someone who has a tank is a room filled with natural light? My room is lit up greatly by natural light, and I have noticed Gaz coming out of his hide around the same time the past couple days. So he knows when its dawn or dusk and night and day. That being said, to me I dont think a photoperiod bulb would be of much use. But I could see the advantages for someone whos gecko doesnt get much natural light. And how expensive are these thinks if you dont mind sharing? Im curious about them, but to be honest I dont think it will do Gaz any good with the location of my tank. :)
 

Elizabeth Freer

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If one's room has a lot of natural lighting, like Gaz's, then you're both set!

Don't have any idea how much a computer-regulated lighting system might cost. Otherwise, there's just the 15 watt bulb, a rheostat, and a timer.
 

kholtme

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So you dont have some fancy device that mimics a sun rise and sun set? Because thats what Ive had in mind every time we discuss photo period bulbs. HAHA! I thought you had some $400 dollar or so device that would slowly make your light bulb get brighter in the mornings, and then slowly dimmer at night time. But instead you just have a bulb that puts out a little bit of light and turns on around sunrise and off at sunset, correct?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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So you dont have some fancy device that mimics a sun rise and sun set? Because thats what Ive had in mind every time we discuss photo period bulbs. HAHA! I thought you had some $400 dollar or so device that would slowly make your light bulb get brighter in the mornings, and then slowly dimmer at night time. But instead you just have a bulb that puts out a little bit of light and turns on around sunrise and off at sunset, correct?

No fancy device at all, Kyle.

I keep my photoperiod bulb on all day...like for 11 hours totally. That bulb is supplemented by the room's natural daylight.

That bulb is additionally shaded by a tall silk palm in the center of the enclosure.
 
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