GeckoFiend
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Congrats on the new gecko.
is this okay.
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WildEyeReptiles
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Its "ee-ben-ow-eye" and yes they do get CA sacks, quite prominent ones sometimes...
miguel camacho!
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eb-en-ow-eye
good to see you here, leah...if that's you!
good to see you here, leah...if that's you!
Mike,
I'm going to have to be the jerk on this one, but sikorae and lineatus are just as easy as ebanaui. Both can tolerate high temps and are a little more forgiving. To be honest - ebanaui, guentheri, lineatus, sikorae, and pietschmanniare all fairly forgiving animals. The only issue with lineatus is that need space and high humidity, other than that they are just as easy as ebanaui. I would venture to say if you can keep crested geckos, you shouldn't have problems keeping phantasticus either. mike and leah can probably agree with me on that one too.
cheers
jason
I'm going to have to be the jerk on this one, but sikorae and lineatus are just as easy as ebanaui. Both can tolerate high temps and are a little more forgiving. To be honest - ebanaui, guentheri, lineatus, sikorae, and pietschmanniare all fairly forgiving animals. The only issue with lineatus is that need space and high humidity, other than that they are just as easy as ebanaui. I would venture to say if you can keep crested geckos, you shouldn't have problems keeping phantasticus either. mike and leah can probably agree with me on that one too.
cheers
jason
miguel camacho!
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is that you jason, the jason i know? anyway, good to see you if so. and mike-im still waiting with a lot of hope on fertile eggs, but im not really gonna count on it for a while....maybe once it cools off a little. i wish i still had my collection in my room, so much easier to notice all the activity when they're that much closer to you all the time.
Mike
Keep me posted if you deside to sell any then you know they are sold I want all of them! LOL! J/K
Did you ever finish the caresheet for them? If you did e-mail me a copy if you would.
I got a few crested eggs this month but nothing fertile from the Uroplatus just yet. I guess Jason is having all the luck on eggs!
I wish I was back in the states to watch mine but the bills have to be paid LOL!
Thanks
Mike
Keep me posted if you deside to sell any then you know they are sold I want all of them! LOL! J/K
Did you ever finish the caresheet for them? If you did e-mail me a copy if you would.
I got a few crested eggs this month but nothing fertile from the Uroplatus just yet. I guess Jason is having all the luck on eggs!
I wish I was back in the states to watch mine but the bills have to be paid LOL!
Thanks
Mike
Terra5Designs
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I see a lot of concern about soils so i' adding my nickel.
if you use the right mix of soils and leaf mould you'll create the nitrogen cycle
which can help the plants grow. that's because the waste products of the geckos
will be broken down and turned if you do this right, into inorganic waste which in turn feeds your plants. also, if you design your substrate right you'll have lower pH which coco fiber CAN"T do and thus any moss that you get might just grow naturally on the soil. ignore the Reptile articles and use milled peat, soil...back yard is fine and then add sand, and some oak leaves. I say back yard dirt is okay IF you dig it up from below 6" from the top as this will have less debris but also the micro fauna will be higher. you can also buy Super Soil from Homedepot which works better then digging for me. your soil should drain, stay loose and moiste and help your plants grow. sand is the only drainage particle you should add. buy it cleaned or Kilmed as sand from your local lake or ocean will cause isses too.
i hope this helps.
if you use the right mix of soils and leaf mould you'll create the nitrogen cycle
which can help the plants grow. that's because the waste products of the geckos
will be broken down and turned if you do this right, into inorganic waste which in turn feeds your plants. also, if you design your substrate right you'll have lower pH which coco fiber CAN"T do and thus any moss that you get might just grow naturally on the soil. ignore the Reptile articles and use milled peat, soil...back yard is fine and then add sand, and some oak leaves. I say back yard dirt is okay IF you dig it up from below 6" from the top as this will have less debris but also the micro fauna will be higher. you can also buy Super Soil from Homedepot which works better then digging for me. your soil should drain, stay loose and moiste and help your plants grow. sand is the only drainage particle you should add. buy it cleaned or Kilmed as sand from your local lake or ocean will cause isses too.
i hope this helps.
WildEyeReptiles
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I have written a lineatus caresheet (as well as fimbriatus and phantasticus).
http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/catalog/lineatus.htm
http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/catalog/fimbriatus.htm
http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/catalog/phantasticus.htm
http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/catalog/lineatus.htm
http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/catalog/fimbriatus.htm
http://www.wildeyereptiles.com/catalog/phantasticus.htm
Terra5Designs
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in reality, with my zoo and museum experience, U. e are much easier. from my knowledge, Ue are found more across the micro climate - niches in their territories
then Up. ebans are found in cracks and loose bark of trees that are warmer some in the sun. i've learned that ebans can tolerate more of a temp and humidity spectrum then any other uroplatus speceis...but I can go and as Neil about this. Up are very senstive animals. too much D3 and you end up doing a necrospy to save eggs. too much change too often to humidity and they stop eating...from what i've learned. also, with sikorae, like most are very pick to their branch work. if it's not rough enough then won't like it, Up - if it's too rouch they won't like it. Ue will just chill on anything so from a habitat design point ebans are eaiser to build for. i'm not saying that the other habitats are hard to build, i'm saying that there needs to be more consideration with planning. Ue are also more apt to eat anything like sikorae were as Up have always shown me they are pick and lazy at hunting.
in habitat design, Ue are the best to work with, they are more forgiving in deed. in husbandry they are also more forgiving. they are hard to find at daytime but with thier smaller enclosure needs you can go large and have a few more and really enjoy them easier.
I vote for Ue as a first time uroplatus choice! i know with their favorable pricing, i would rather have three of them then one or two Up or sikorae. any of the rest of the genus are cool too but start small! it's about what you can promise in a commitment to ensure the proper husbandry, not having a cool gecko.
then Up. ebans are found in cracks and loose bark of trees that are warmer some in the sun. i've learned that ebans can tolerate more of a temp and humidity spectrum then any other uroplatus speceis...but I can go and as Neil about this. Up are very senstive animals. too much D3 and you end up doing a necrospy to save eggs. too much change too often to humidity and they stop eating...from what i've learned. also, with sikorae, like most are very pick to their branch work. if it's not rough enough then won't like it, Up - if it's too rouch they won't like it. Ue will just chill on anything so from a habitat design point ebans are eaiser to build for. i'm not saying that the other habitats are hard to build, i'm saying that there needs to be more consideration with planning. Ue are also more apt to eat anything like sikorae were as Up have always shown me they are pick and lazy at hunting.
in habitat design, Ue are the best to work with, they are more forgiving in deed. in husbandry they are also more forgiving. they are hard to find at daytime but with thier smaller enclosure needs you can go large and have a few more and really enjoy them easier.
I vote for Ue as a first time uroplatus choice! i know with their favorable pricing, i would rather have three of them then one or two Up or sikorae. any of the rest of the genus are cool too but start small! it's about what you can promise in a commitment to ensure the proper husbandry, not having a cool gecko.
yes mike it is me. I don't think I'm going to post anymore between all the forums. Its too frustrating to give advice or to speak from experience. I'm tired of people arguing with me over tank size, beginner species, etc etc. If half of these people know Uroplatus so well why aren't they producing anything? Experience speaks louder than words and to be truthful I only know 5 people (1 very rarely, if ever) who hit the forums that can openly speak their experience and honestly have useful input. My time is worth more than to argue over why ebanaui is the best beginner gecko or if sikorae are hard to keep or not. Its pointless because no one wants to listen to anyone but neil. Neil is a great guy, he answers my questions when I have them but those are so infrequent. I don't need to preach their information to the world like its some kind of fact when in all actuality its what worked for them as they have adapted the wild habitat to the cage. If people honestly need to preach other's work, they should be working on themselves and their non existent breeding collections before coming out to everyone speaking it as if they know it all.
I'll catch ya in email.
I'll catch ya in email.
Jason/Monkey, i understand your frustration, but that can be found everywhere online and real life. i know there are people on this forum who appreciate any and all suggestions and tips. i hope that you truly arent done here as we seem to have a rather even handed community here and anyone with experience you seem to have ('guilt' by association with Mike/Miguel is enough for me ) is welcome and encouraged.
Scott
) is welcome and encouraged. Scott
miguel camacho!
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haha, what am i guilty of?
anyway, jason, i feel your frustration too, as we've talked about so many times before. no matter how we look at it, people are going to have differences of opinion no matter what. some may have great experience with just a single species and thus recommend that, while others could have experience with several or nearly all of the available species and beg to differ. yea, it's an ongoing debate. really when you look at it, nothing is set in stone. well, aside from the fact i think most people want a satanic as their first uroplatus. heck, that's what i did and now look where i am. when it comes down to it, i think your choice of the best uroplatus species for a beginner might even vary from person to person. it's all about your dedication to and careful observation of your animals. every time i pick up a new species, im learning something new.
anyway, you know you're welcome around all of these uroplatus forums. truth be told, theres new people coming to the genus every day and yea, we go about answering the same old questions time and time again. part of the difficulty is that though these are some thoroughly admired species, still there is little known of the health details. but when we all put together our own details we can make our own careful considerations and decide how to take it from there.
so i hope to still see you around these parts, because difference in opinion can sometimes help open other peoples' eyes.
anyway, jason, i feel your frustration too, as we've talked about so many times before. no matter how we look at it, people are going to have differences of opinion no matter what. some may have great experience with just a single species and thus recommend that, while others could have experience with several or nearly all of the available species and beg to differ. yea, it's an ongoing debate. really when you look at it, nothing is set in stone. well, aside from the fact i think most people want a satanic as their first uroplatus. heck, that's what i did and now look where i am. when it comes down to it, i think your choice of the best uroplatus species for a beginner might even vary from person to person. it's all about your dedication to and careful observation of your animals. every time i pick up a new species, im learning something new.
anyway, you know you're welcome around all of these uroplatus forums. truth be told, theres new people coming to the genus every day and yea, we go about answering the same old questions time and time again. part of the difficulty is that though these are some thoroughly admired species, still there is little known of the health details. but when we all put together our own details we can make our own careful considerations and decide how to take it from there.
so i hope to still see you around these parts, because difference in opinion can sometimes help open other peoples' eyes.