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kenya_1977

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I missed the 25 pairs of them that he had, I didn't know that there was more than one animal.. my bad for not making sure everything was read before I posted.

Yes, some animals to take on crepuscular life style. And this would be a more feasible modification of cycle. I was just saying that a flop from night to day isn't likely. The crepuscular individuals still have the inclination to prefer most of their time around the dark hours, they just take advantage of the hour before total sunset and sunrise. These are great hours to utilize because most of the nocturnal hunters aren't out yet, and the diurnal species are beginning to fail in sight due to the lack of light. I deal with a few species of fish that exhibit this lifestyle.

I'm not totally against breeding for certain traits, don't take it as I am. I own line bred leos. But, you'll also note that leos have always had a reputation for being "easy", as well as being established in the herp world for a LONG time. Leos and cresteds are geckos that I would recommend a beginner due to their ease of care. That's why I lean more towards the side of getting these guys established before worrying about "line breeding" a trait. They have a reputation for being sensitive if not provided with a few key items. Never to be recommended for a beginner.
 
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Afelinus

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There are other populations in Malaysia(the physical island of Borneo) and Indonesia that have light colored eyes.I would not consider it a detriment if the animal adjusts it feeding patterns to make it less vulnerable.Crepuscular mannerisms would be the type of lifestyle as far as feeding is concerned.It is pretty safe to assume that this is a locality variation,which when you have a genus that has such a large area of geographical distribution,is a feasible possibility.
 
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kenya_1977

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LivingScales,

Too bad your supplier won't tell you where they are from. We're really trying to establish the differences between localities, and that would help out.

Do you mind if I ask you where you're from?

Thanks
Crystal
 
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Afelinus

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I saw it mentioned that it was Singapore,if Im not mistaken.The Bornean Felinus I had years ago,had a bronze colored eye,both of them.Just from looking at the Johor locality verses the Cameron Highlands,I have noticed the strong vertebral striping that Cameron Highlands felinus have,and all the Johor have this wild looking irregular transverse blotching and banding thing going on.There are a couple Johor that have a slight stripe,but its almost undetectable.Obviously,there are going to be more variations as we go along. :D
 
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kenya_1977 said:
I'm not totally against breeding for certain traits, don't take it as I am. I own line bred leos. But, you'll also note that leos have always had a reputation for being "easy", as well as being established in the herp world for a LONG time. Leos and cresteds are geckos that I would recommend a beginner due to their ease of care. That's why I lean more towards the side of getting these guys established before worrying about "line breeding" a trait. They have a reputation for being sensitive if not provided with a few key items. Never to be recommended for a beginner.
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I'm not sure that I understand your equating line breeding of morphs to ease of species being kept. There's many non beginner species out there that have various morphs.
 
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kenya_1977

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If what we're looking at here is a locality morph that has established itself in the wild, that's a little different than line breeding a morph for an "asthetic" reason. This morph (possible subspecies in some cases) evolved on it's own due to it's habitat and breeding restriction/preferences.

I'm just saying.. if you look at actual morphs that people have produced from line breeding.. it's with very easy to keep specimens. FT geckos, leos, cresteds, gargoyles, pictus, bandeds.. I'm just staying with geckos right now.. Most of these geckos are pretty elementary in their care...

The longer we have these guys breeding in captivity, the more likely these might fall into some line breeding projects for certain characteristics. True, no problem. But if I only have a couple pairs, I'm not going to risk my small stock by line breeding. If I have 25 pairs, yes, I might devote a couple of the pairs to that possibility. Typically genetic stock can take many generations of line breeding, but you never know when something might go wrong, or if there just happens to be a deleterious gene that's linked with a phenotype (like in chinchillas and some mice colors).

You're always going to have a two strong sides when it comes to preserving natural genetics verses adapting the animal to our phenotypic preference. I don't consider myself to be an extremist against line breeding geckos, or anything else.. but there are some animals that I prefer they stay pure to their natural locality genetically. Pretty much the whole dart frog community prescribes to this thought, and I guess I've personally transposed that to these guys. The stuff that is not locality specific, no big deal to work with possible line bred morphs, but I really hope that the locality specific stuff that Marcus is making all the effort to bring in is bred with the thought of keeping the line strong and pure rather than breeding it down for a particular trait.

This is all just my opinion.. and you know how those are.. only really means something to me.
 
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LivingScales

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Sorry for my disappearing! Too busy with my job lately!
Well, back to the cat gecko topic.
All 25 pairs of cat geckos are sharing the same unqie white-eyes trait and I bought them as WC specimen, so I won't know if it is a inheritable triat or not. I think they are locality type or a new subspecies other than a mutant. I just don't believe I can collect 50 heads of mutant cat at one time.

Last year is the first year I bred white-eyed in captivity and all hatchlings are white-eyed too, so I am pretty sure the triat will go on if they are bred together. However, is it a recessive or dominant gene, I don't know. I already bred a white-eyed male with a normal female and two eggs are cocking, so we just have to wait for the answer now.
 
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Afelinus

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I am curious as to what country they were collected in.If they are all the same in eye color,are there other traits displayed by this group that differ from any other Felinus you have?
 
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