A photo of my hybrid
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Ken Bartenfeld
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so you bred a crested and another gecko not a crested and crested?!
Ken Bartenfeld
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What in the world...that is crazy! So that can be listed as what, a new gecko because they tampered with it?
If im right, thats like getting a...lets say amyae and...wheeleri, and them reproducing and having babies...that hatch...?
If im right, thats like getting a...lets say amyae and...wheeleri, and them reproducing and having babies...that hatch...?
JeffG
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I bought this guy from Paul Meyers at the white plains show over the summer. Its a Crested Chahoua hybrid. Nothing too special about it. I wouldnt do the breeding myself because i feel its not needed. I dont agree with hybridization exactly, but I did buy the animal because i felt it was unique and was really curious to see how it turned out as it matures. Better in my hands than in someone elses who is going to put it back in with his cresties and sell mixed babies just to turn a dime.
Not trying to start or stir up anything here fellas. i got a few requests for pics so i took a few.
Not trying to start or stir up anything here fellas. i got a few requests for pics so i took a few.
That's a really interesting looking gecko. I'm glad you got it, as you are correct, it most likely would have been bred to clilatus to make more hybrids. Although I am sure others are working on them as well.
Ken- I saw a photo once on the ksnake forum of an N. asper breeding an N. amyae. I was like, "but why...?".
Ken- I saw a photo once on the ksnake forum of an N. asper breeding an N. amyae. I was like, "but why...?".
Ken Bartenfeld
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Hmmm, I kind of don't like that thought of that...would be curious though what would end up coming out.
LarryLockard
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You know I like it. You should post some more pics of it. What is its temperment like? What size do you expect it to be, is it more ciliatus size or chahoua size? Also does it have the real prehensile tail like a chahoua. You know I'm not too interested in cross breeding either, especially just to make money off of it. But the occasional "frankenstein's monster" interests me. We're hobbyists, and we are sometimes experimenting with our hobby. I think it would be neat to be able to cross a gargoyle with a chahoua, that way you'd have the nice green and silver colors of the chahoua and the bumpy head look of the auriculatus, it'd be camo*LOL Of course mine would never turn out that way, they turn out some ugly reddish looking chahoua with bumps on its head 
Luperosaurus
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I think that I never seen the Crested geckos without crests. Unfortunately it looking like really hybrid.
Preston Cook
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Leland said:
Then you my friend, are blind..
Prestondactylus,
I don't take kindly to being called blind, you should choose your insults more kindly when speaking to people. There is no physical evidence that has been presented to any of us regarding a true breeding of these two species. I don't believe it. Cresteds are bred specifically for the "fur" trait, as well as a "no fur" trait. This crested does not have the crests (although they are on the eye-lids), but there are many with no crests on the market. These are one of the most reproduced geckos in the market now and strange individuals show up all the time. This looks like a normal crested, with no spines. Even the tail is white, a characteristic of A LOT of cresteds. What differences physically do you see with this animal and a normal crested, other than the lack of spines? I think there would be a much higher chance of success breeding crested x sarasinorum, but chahoua seems a bit out of the question. Leland
I don't take kindly to being called blind, you should choose your insults more kindly when speaking to people. There is no physical evidence that has been presented to any of us regarding a true breeding of these two species. I don't believe it. Cresteds are bred specifically for the "fur" trait, as well as a "no fur" trait. This crested does not have the crests (although they are on the eye-lids), but there are many with no crests on the market. These are one of the most reproduced geckos in the market now and strange individuals show up all the time. This looks like a normal crested, with no spines. Even the tail is white, a characteristic of A LOT of cresteds. What differences physically do you see with this animal and a normal crested, other than the lack of spines? I think there would be a much higher chance of success breeding crested x sarasinorum, but chahoua seems a bit out of the question. Leland
Luperosaurus
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In Seipp and Henkel's Rhacodactylus book we can see the R.ciliatus and R.chahoua hybrid(p.100; fig.46) , but I'm agree with Leland that from first look visualy R.sarasinorum are more close to R.ciliatus then R.chahoua. On picture we can see that the hatchling have bright red coloriation that are typical for R.sarasinorum then all other species.
Here in Russia aquarium hobbyists have lot of problems with lake Malawi cichlids. Now very big problem to find some "really" species because hybridization was very popular here.
I'm just worry that same thing can happen in future with some groups of geckos. As I see now some people have problems with clean blood lines of R.leachianus ssp.
Also I have seen hybrid between Goniurosaurus luii and G.araneus. Very nice animals but fortunately they not breed Same was with hybrids between Oedura castelnaui and O.monilis.
Here in Russia aquarium hobbyists have lot of problems with lake Malawi cichlids. Now very big problem to find some "really" species because hybridization was very popular here.
I'm just worry that same thing can happen in future with some groups of geckos. As I see now some people have problems with clean blood lines of R.leachianus ssp.
Also I have seen hybrid between Goniurosaurus luii and G.araneus. Very nice animals but fortunately they not breed
Same was with hybrids between Oedura castelnaui and O.monilis.LarryLockard
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Lets all keep it clean people. I've seen the picture in Henkel's book and I've seen a photo either earlier in this forum or on another site, of what I assume is the same animal. So its possible to hybridize ciliatus and chahoua. So lets get to the heart of this matter, whether or not people should hybridize the two. I'm not one for muddying bloodlines, especially since we all start with limited bloodlines to begin with. The worst thing we could do is start screwing them up. Now on the otherside of that, a little experimentation is good for everyone*LOL(sorry blatent drug reference, or sex). I think that the hybrids are interesting and unique. Saying that, they should never be bred for commercial reasons, and you should keep detailed records of your breeding efforts.
JeffG
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Leland said:
I dont know what i did to basically be called a liar. Pictures were requested of this animal so i posted them. Yes it has many crested traits, but upon physical examination you can see the chahoua in him. He has a very prehensile tail like my chahoua, and the skin seems to be just as "soft". The coloration isnt as bold as my cresteds, but rather more blended together.
Now like i said before, i didnt breed this animal and i never would. I bought him because i was curious to see how he would mature.
Here is a pic from back in july when i got him...
Followed by a pic of my chahoua...
the moof
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is he sterile? i should think he would be... i dont know. i believe it might be a hybrid, but i am in now way certain. anyway, i would never even buy such an animal, as it promotes cross-breeding, which is illegal, and not at all good for species, unless they are under sever threat in the wild, and therefore must have some method of close procreation.
regards,
*the moof*
regards,
*the moof*
JeffG
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Since when is it illegal? Like i said earlier...
"I wouldnt do the breeding myself because i feel its not needed. I dont agree with hybridization exactly, but I did buy the animal because i felt it was unique and was really curious to see how it turned out as it matures. Better in my hands than in someone elses who is going to put it back in with his cresties and sell mixed babies just to turn a dime. "
"I wouldnt do the breeding myself because i feel its not needed. I dont agree with hybridization exactly, but I did buy the animal because i felt it was unique and was really curious to see how it turned out as it matures. Better in my hands than in someone elses who is going to put it back in with his cresties and sell mixed babies just to turn a dime. "