Hatchling G. cf. lictenfelderi

[danscantle]

Hatched out my first babies last week.
Still not sure on the ID of the parents, but here's a hatchling. I like the orange eyelids on these guys.

 

[djmoondancer]

Good lookin' kid ya got there :wink:

 

[robk]

Congratulations
May i ask how you incubated them, temp,substrate e.c.t.
Cheers
Rob

 

[danscantle]

Hi Rob-

I incubated them in moist perlite at room temperature, occasionally as high as 82F. They cooked for approx. 65 days.

 

[Brian]

Dan, do you have access to the eyelash gecko book? There's a pick of lictenfelderi and hainanensis next to each other. I still can't really tell the difference that well.

 

[modoki]

G. lichtenfelderi (left)
G. hainanensis (right)

Cheers

Thomas

 

[Brian]

So what would you day Dan's gecko is? Ignoring the fact that hainanensis are being imported under the wrong name. It seems the band does not go all the way to the eye?

 

[modoki]

It is G. hainanensis as all the others I have seen here !!!
I will post a picture of a currently hatched G. lichtenfelderi later this week.

Cheers

Thomas

 

[Brian]

Thomas, what characters are ytou useing? I'd like to be able to ID these better. I can usually tell, but not always.

 

[modoki]

As I keep and breed both species for about 5 years now, I can say that they first of all differentiate in adult size, further in colouration and width of bands and nuchal loop, iris colour and length of tails (tails of G. lichtenfelderi are shorter and do not end very thin). The most important fact on my animals is locality data as I have received my G. lichtenfelderi from a very well known russian Goniurosaurus breeder who got them from some russian herpetologists, who described them as G. murphy in the past. Even though G. lichtenfelderi has never been imported in big numbers in comparison to G. hainanensis (shipments are still declared falsely as lichtenfelderi). All those facts make it very easy for me to distinguish between both species. The bigger problem is to tell the high and lowland forms of G. hainanensis apart. I would say that this is nearly impossible without exact locality data, as they vary very much in the wild.

Hopefully these two pics of currently hatched G. lichtenfelderi and G. hainanensis will show you the differences on my specimen on the first look.

G. lichtenfelderi (2 weeks old)

G. hainanensis (3 weeks old)

Cheers

Thomas

 

[danscantle]

Here's the mother. Still say she's G. hainanensis?

 

[LivingScales]

Thanks for the information! Thomas.

However, I want to make a correction on some information. The G. l. hainanensis or G. hainanensis are never exported out as G. l. lichtenfelderi or G. lichtenfelderi. It is the importers who even import them claim them as G. l. lichtenfelderi. Sometimes, I even see them listed as G. luii.
Also, I agreed with you that they varied a lot even in the wild. So, I don't really think there is a highland form or lowland form exsisted. It is just a variation.

 

[modoki]

Yes, I am still sure they are G. hainanensis, but I agree that she looks very different to most of the hainanensis I have seen before. I guess she is an older lady so far and therefore her colouration got a lot paler. But again, they vary extremely! Any locality info would really help to ID her 100%. Do you have a shot of the father or other specimen as well? Please keep us updated with the colouration development of the hatchlings.

@LivingScales, I didn't know who labeled them wrong. Interesting information!

Cheers

Thomas

 

[danscantle]

http://www.forums.repashy.com/showthread.php?t=2055&highlight=goniurosaurus+lictenfelderi

Hi Thomas - thanks for all your insight into this thread. The link above has a shot of the father, I thought I had posted that thread here, but alas. I'll post shots of the ontogenetic color change as it progresses.