Need a little help...

Coleonyx

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I have about $1500 to spend on a nice slr digital camera. I am leaning towards Nikon D70 or D50. What lenses should I get to go with it. I would like a good macro lens. Is the tamron 90mm good? What else would I need to go with it? External Flash? Ring Flash?

I know its a lot of questions, but I am totally lost.

Thanks all!
 

strikedistance

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You can get the Canon 30D. (The camera i want)body only. It is about $1200 pretty pricey for a camera but well worth it. Now i have a 100mm Macro which is really nice but i was about $500 so if you dont want to spend that. You can get the Canon 50mm Macro for about $200 or the Tamron 90mm Macro for about $450. Ive never tired either of the latter but i was told they both were really nice. After you get all that you can focus on a nice tripod and external flash.
 

ryanm

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If I had $1500 to spend and wanted to take pictures of geckos as well as general pics (family gatherings, walks inthe park, at the zoo, etc), this is what I would do (keep in mind I'm a Nikon guy).

Nikon D50 (body only) $500
Tamron 90mm macro $450
Tamron 28-300mm $400
Sigma EM-140 DG ring flash $360

It's a little bit over your $1500 limit, but well worth it. With the 90mm and the ring flash, you can take endless varieties of close ups and portrait-type shots. The lens rules for anything within about 10 feet of you, it's tack sharp, and is very easy to get good shots with. The ring flash works great and is far less expensive than competing rings of similar quality. The 28-300 is a perfect general purpose "walking around" lens. You can do everything from wide open landscape shots to tight candid face shots from a distance. It's the lens I keep on my camera unless I have a particular need for another type of lens.

The one thing you're not taking into account here is the $500 or so you will need to spend on an extra battery and a bigger flash card. The extra battery is needed so that you can keep one on the charger and one in the camera all the time, that way you're never stuck with a dead battery. When you know you're going to spend a day out shooting, swap the battery and you're good to go. You don't need an 8 gig flash card, but I would get at least a 1 gig. I currently use a 2 gig card, and with the camera set to the highest quality jpeg mode, I can take about 580 pictures on that card, and I've never filled it up like that. Bigger cards will only really be useful if you are shooting in raw mode, because then you only get like 130 pics on a 2 gig card, which is still a lot, but not enough for a full day out shooting.

With those, you can do pretty much anything you want without being constrained by your equipment, which will allow you to save up for the expensive lenses you really want but take time to afford. Honestly, you're not going to get your money's worth out of a newer model or higher end camera body. The only way you would know what you want from the higher end and newer model bodies would be if you already had an SLR and you had decided that it wasn't doing the job. Since that's not the case, don't waste money on a bunch of features you'll probably never use. The D50 does everything you need. Lenses are where you should put your money, you can always upgrade the body later if you find it doesn't do everything you want.

It's like when a kid wants to learn to play guitar, and they see a $4k Les Paul in the store and want it. If you ask them why, they can't tell you, they just know it's cool. But they won't learn any better on the $4k Les Paul than they will on a $99 Squier Bullet Strat, and once they learn how to play they may not even like Les Pauls, so why spend that kind of money on it right off the bat when you don't even know if you want the features it has?

Buy the camera body by itself, don't get the kit lens because they are usually not great and they can double the cost of the camera. Buy exactly the lenses you want and need, and that way, once you have $3k-$4k of lenses, it won't seem like a big deal to upgrade from a $500 body to a $1000 body, because the expensive part (the lenses) works for both of them.

ryanm
 

strikedistance

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I totally agree with everything you just said ryan except that im a canon guy. 8) Except for the ring flash. If you notice you at close up amphibian shots with a ring flash. You can see the ring in there eyes and sometimes in there back the same hing happens with skinks and other smooth lizards. Get an external flash that sits on top. Does better of a job lighting up the subjust because you can angel the flash in different ways.
Also i was just telling him to get that camera because thats the one i am upgrading for. I totally forgot about the camera thing. I would say get the type of camera i have now if you can find it. The Canon Digital Rebel 6.3 Mp. Great starter SLR Camera. I love it. I took 4000 pictures before it ever messed up and that was only because it was 118 degrees when i was using it. Amazing camera. Have had it for 3 years.
 

yuri

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I would advise a little patience. The 2006 Photokina show is just around the corner (late September). This show happens every two years, and is by far the largest "imaging" show in the world. Many manufacturers wait until the time of the show (sometimes before) to make product announcements.

Nikon has already released news of the Nikon D80 DSLR.

Canon has said that August 24th they will release news of a 'revolutionary' product for photographers.

New products means older ones need to be moved, so bargains can be found following the show.
 

ryanm

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strikedistance said:
Except for the ring flash. If you notice you at close up amphibian shots with a ring flash. You can see the ring in there eyes and sometimes in there back the same hing happens with skinks and other smooth lizards. Get an external flash that sits on top. Does better of a job lighting up the subjust because you can angel the flash in different ways.
The problem I have with a shoe-mounted flash is that the lens often causes shadows when you get too close. I prefer the ring or good ambient lights over a shoe flash for those kinds of uses.

Here, the ring light is visible, but doesn't bother me at all:
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Now, when it comes to taking good portriats and other non-macro shots, a good shoe-mounted flash is pretty important. For that (on a Nikon camera), I'd recommend the SB800.

ryanm
 

ryanm

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Oukan said:
Wow all these expencive cameras, when a $175 FujiFilm will do the same job lol

Do this with a $175 Fuji camera...

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Or maybe these...

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Or even this...

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Good luck. :wink: :p

ryanm
 

Coleonyx

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Thanks for all of the help! I will let you know what I decide.

Also, if you play with the curves a little, it doesn't look so washed out. :wink:

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Thanks
 

Coleonyx

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Those carpet pythons are very yellow! most of the ones I have seen are more tan. Which lens did you use for that shot?
 

Oukan

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Ive taken some pretty nice pics with my "cheep" camera. Only difference is, the quality of the reptiles that the pictures was taken of.

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Mack2

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Oukan said:
Wow all these expencive cameras, when a $175 FujiFilm will do the same job lol

100,000,000% disagree. There are some thing that a "cheep" can do that an expensive camera can, but they are in no way even close to the same level of quality and versatility. When you use a "cheep" camera you get what you pay for. Now if one is technically challenged or has the "can’t teach an old dog new tricks" disorder than a "cheep" camera is the ticket. If one is serious about photography or even an avid hobbyist than the expensive camera is the ticket. BTW this is not an attack, I just feel strongly about this.
 

X-Geckos

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i totally agree with ryanm, but i'm a canon girl too :lol:
but the best solution i think will be buy a good digital nikon body and 2 or 3 lens for use the camera in many occasions..
you can take with ryanm solution good herp pictures and you can use your camera for everyting..
 

strikedistance

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Hey marula (canon girl) im bruce canon guy lol. :lol: I agree with you and Mack2. You can get a cheep camera and get some nice shots but do you want to keep buying a camera every 6 months to a year. Invest in a good setup and you will do great in the long run.
 

ryanm

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Coleonyx__Corral said:
Also, if you play with the curves a little, it doesn't look so washed out. :wink:
Actually, you need to adjust the gamma settings on your monitor. :wink:

I use external hardware to balance one of my monitors so that what I see on screen is exactly what comes out of the printer. Your adjusted version was waaaay too dark, the colors are no longer natural. The problem is that everyone's monitor is adjusted a little bit differently, so for the web I usually brighten them a bit so that it looks good on an LCDs but isn't too bright on a CRT.

ryanm
 

ryanm

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Coleonyx__Corral said:
Those carpet pythons are very yellow! most of the ones I have seen are more tan. Which lens did you use for that shot?
The lens was the Tamron 90mm macro. Great performance for a "cheap" lens.

Oh, and the jungles are so yellow because I waited on a list for over a year for the offspring from specific pairings. They were only a few months old at the time, they're much brighter now. :wink:

ryanm
 
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