Nephrurus levis levis morphs

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texas lizard connection

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Here are some interesting levis that popped up within the last couple of months.

Scott


This little gal was produced from a stripe male and a female magma. Kind of a faded/incomplete super stripe.

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Here is earlier clutch mate from a normal levis female and a stripe male.

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Here is probably the most interesting one of the bunch. I have produced quite a few levis and have never seen one quite like this one. Lets call it a super spot. Dad was a stripe male the female was a het stripe.

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Last but not least a near patternless levis. Mom is an adult levis that we purchased from Tom Wood that laid shortly after arrival. I see some cool possibilities with her.

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arta

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Nice levis Scott. Now I am starting to think that the patternless mutation could be genetic from a certain breeder that both Tom and myself got animals from. I have hatched out animals that you call super dot, but from normal parents. They kind of look like occidentalis with all the spots. BTW what does a magma look like?

This would be the perfect mate for your patternless gal.


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Marlies

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They all look very nice!

But I do personally regret the fact that at the moment, a lot off people are trying to create morphs with all differant kinds of species. Not a reaction to you personally, just something in general that I regret.

I think it is normal that people like diffrent collouration in existing animals. Everybody likes something "special". The only sad thing is that a lot people don't have interest in the species, but only in the collour of the specific animal, and how many bucks its costs.

Again, not a personal reaction to the topicstarter! Just a note in general.
 
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AM Gecko

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But I do personally regret the fact that at the moment, a lot off people are trying to create morphs with all differant kinds of species. Not a reaction to you personally, just something in general that I regret.
I think it is normal that people like diffrent collouration in existing animals. Everybody likes something "special". The only sad thing is that a lot people don't have interest in the species, but only in the collour of the specific animal, and how many bucks its costs.
Again, not a personal reaction to the topicstarter! Just a note in general.
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Weather I do agree or not with your comment there is only one thing that everyone can agree with, this is not a forum about business, Scott is not trying to sell those in here, this is a forum for all of us to share PICS of our beautiful collection and knowledge about these beautiful geckos, therefore we can all agree to save comments like this for BOI or other places where they belong.
Lets not ruin a beautiful thing like this forum with personal feelings.
Scott, thanks for those PICS, awesome animals.
 
oli

oli

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Hey arta, that patternless guy looks a little bit like a pilbarensis to me for some reason. Very very nice tho.
 
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arta

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oli said:
Hey arta, that patternless guy looks a little bit like a pilbarensis to me for some reason. Very very nice tho.
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What appears pilbarensis about him? No crosses in my levis unless it was done by Tribal reptile. Aside from the Tribal stock a major part of my levis colony.....I know they are pure levis.
 
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oli

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I'm not trying to put you down or the reputability of your breeder but he just has certain characteristics that pilbarensis have as well. It is hard to put into text exactly what I'm seeing especially since they are so close genetics. I just noticed the snout formation, the shape of the eyes, the overall light and patternless coloration, and the thickness of the white stripe on his back also reminds me of a pilbarensis. If anyone else sees this please don't hold back your thoughts....I wouldn't be suprised if that guy had some pilbarensis in him at one stage in his family tree, but then again that's only my opinion....oli
 
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texas lizard connection

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Here is my two cents on what defines a Magma. First off the magma and lava term came from a New Mexico gecko breeder named Garth. I think he was trying to say that the color reminded him of Magma from a volcano. (Dark body coloration with red/orange highlights leaking through. Like magma) He also coined the lava phase which has a little bit more orange but is similar to the magma.

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arta

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I am the breeder. I purchased my original breeding stock in '98 and none since. There were two separate purchases. One from Tribal Reptile and the second from another trusted source. Like I said, unless Tribal Reptile crossed pilbarensis into their line, the other part of my colony has no pilbarensis in it. From what I know, the animals I got from Tribal were a cross of animals from Casey Lazik to animals that originated from the same place the other half of my colony came from. While I agree with you in regards to how close they are genetically because they are of the levis complex, I disagree with your description of his phenotype. One would need to see and study many specimens of both l. levis and l. pilbarensis to be able pick up on any differences of snout formation or eye shape. Look at any breeders pics of their levis and you will see how variable they are. As for coloring, I have been selectively breeding towards lighter colored animals. I had what I call hypo animals popping up in my colony for years and have tried to isolate and reproduce it.

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As for the white stripe down his back, the pic of Scott’s magma, and your own animals have the wider light stripe. The stripe on the back of my animal is more like the striped animals out there.

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And why is it that Scotts patternless animal is taken at face value as a levis, yet you say because mine is patternless it must have pilbarensis in him? A lot of what I have produced over the years was sold to wholesalers and then resold on kingsnake, so there might be a possibility that there is a genetic link with these two patternless animals.

Scott summed it up perfectly in another post.

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Ethan,
I have often wondered the same thing. There seems to be alot of intersting colors in the levis levis the past few years. Occasionally there are "fresh" blood coming in from europe that is bred into to the US bloodlines. It also could be with about 10 years of limited bloodlines in the US we are starting to see genes for coloring matching up that are producing some of these oddballs. I have also noticed pictures from our Australian friends that are "pure" levis levis looking very different from what we have here. That may be that levis levis from different ranges are isolated long enough that their color maybe unique for that location. Anyway its pretty exciting to be a Nephrurus breeder right now.

Scott
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I understand that everyone has an opinion, but the problem with that is when people state their opinion on the internet about what someone else is doing without first hand experience, people tend to believe what they read. I have not worked this long and hard to, in the end, pollute what I have been striving for....

Light bright colored levis.

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