map of distribution of wild types
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Hello Alexandre,
there do exist some maps in different books- but they might all not be too usefull for you. It depends on what informations you need. There are two difficulties:
1.) Taxonomy. The whole genus should be revised. There are several subspecies described, that are maybe not valid. Some authors accept them, others don`t.
2.) Locations. There are not many locations where leopardgeckos have been found being published, so all maps are very vague. Big parts of the habitat aren`t the safest places in the world,...
As you are from switzerland, you can maybe read german texts. You should be able to get the following book through your library- or you do me a favour and buy it
On Page 22 taxonomist and veterinarian Dr. Köhler published a map with the location of the five species.
http://herpeton-verlag.de/index.php?action=titelzeigen&titelnr=10011&detail=innenansichten
In this book (Henkel, Knöthig, Schmidt: http://www.amazon.de/Leopardgeckos-...0550462?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185750725&sr=8-2) you can find a slightly different map on page 13.
I don`t know any map that visualizes the locations of the subspecies. In our book we do only accept E. m. macularius and E. m. afghanicus as valid subspecies. There are indications, that there might be other subspecies, but todays datas on pholidose do not make a clear decision possible.
I hope this helps
Karsten
there do exist some maps in different books- but they might all not be too usefull for you. It depends on what informations you need. There are two difficulties:
1.) Taxonomy. The whole genus should be revised. There are several subspecies described, that are maybe not valid. Some authors accept them, others don`t.
2.) Locations. There are not many locations where leopardgeckos have been found being published, so all maps are very vague. Big parts of the habitat aren`t the safest places in the world,...
As you are from switzerland, you can maybe read german texts. You should be able to get the following book through your library- or you do me a favour and buy it
On Page 22 taxonomist and veterinarian Dr. Köhler published a map with the location of the five species.
http://herpeton-verlag.de/index.php?action=titelzeigen&titelnr=10011&detail=innenansichten
In this book (Henkel, Knöthig, Schmidt: http://www.amazon.de/Leopardgeckos-...0550462?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185750725&sr=8-2) you can find a slightly different map on page 13.
I don`t know any map that visualizes the locations of the subspecies. In our book we do only accept E. m. macularius and E. m. afghanicus as valid subspecies. There are indications, that there might be other subspecies, but todays datas on pholidose do not make a clear decision possible.
I hope this helps
Karsten
TM Geckos
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Thanks for answering.
The info I'm looking for is to differenciate the distribution of E. macularius smithi and E. m. macularius
But the other subspecies would be great too.
I am not looking for the species of Eublepharis, only the subspecies
But I'll stop to search I think.
I won't know what is the subspecies of Eublepharis m. of someone. (imported from Pakistan 18 years ago)
In counting the scales under the "hand" it is either EM smithi or Em macularius.
The info I'm looking for is to differenciate the distribution of E. macularius smithi and E. m. macularius
But the other subspecies would be great too.
I am not looking for the species of Eublepharis, only the subspecies
But I'll stop to search I think.
I won't know what is the subspecies of Eublepharis m. of someone. (imported from Pakistan 18 years ago)
In counting the scales under the "hand" it is either EM smithi or Em macularius.
Hello,
in my personal opinion is E.m.s. just a synonym for E.m.m., maybe a local variation. Do you have any pictures available? The difference within the pholidose is so small- as far as I can remember do both have the same amount of scales under their digits. Are there any other known differeces between both "subspecies"? E.m.smithi should occur around New Delhi.
Karsten
in my personal opinion is E.m.s. just a synonym for E.m.m., maybe a local variation. Do you have any pictures available? The difference within the pholidose is so small- as far as I can remember do both have the same amount of scales under their digits. Are there any other known differeces between both "subspecies"? E.m.smithi should occur around New Delhi.
Karsten
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Alexandre,
Eublepharis m. smithi was described based on two specimens collected near Delhi held in the Seckenberg Museum. I am unaware of any additional specimens assigned to this taxon. A distribution map would just be a dot near Delhi.
As Karsten mentioned, Eublepharis systematics is a mess. There is a real need to use molecular genetic data to help answer questions regarding Eublepharis relationships. Safety problems in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the near impossibility of foreign scientists' ability to work in India though offers little hope of a resolution using genetic data anytime soon.
Tony
Eublepharis m. smithi was described based on two specimens collected near Delhi held in the Seckenberg Museum. I am unaware of any additional specimens assigned to this taxon. A distribution map would just be a dot near Delhi.
As Karsten mentioned, Eublepharis systematics is a mess. There is a real need to use molecular genetic data to help answer questions regarding Eublepharis relationships. Safety problems in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the near impossibility of foreign scientists' ability to work in India though offers little hope of a resolution using genetic data anytime soon.
Tony