N. Wheeleri Cinctus vs. N. Wheeleri Wheeleri

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iand

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hi ken,
i thought i saw some a while back for sale, quite likely could have been wheeleri cinctus though. not 100% sure.
we dont really have them here in aus. only one or two people keep them (so ive been led to believe) and i have never seen any for sale. its a real shame :(

have a good one, ian
 
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geckodan

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Ken Bartenfeld said:
I think cinctus has 5 black bands and w. wheeleri have 4 bands. Or at least that's a start.

Ken
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At least they used to until you went and made them patternless :wink:
 
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Simon

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To Corrina, Im am one of two people keeping them in australia. It is not true aboutn 4 & 5 bands both species have 5 bands, generally cinctus is slightly smaller and found in a totally different area of western Australia. Some people are breeding the lines out of them making identifying them very difficult.

regards s
 
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sune jensen

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There are no wheeleri wheeleri in the pet trade or hobby anywhere that I know about (basically US and Europe). If there are any, poeple are keeping them secretively. Could also be some in Asia...you never know.
As for the differences, yes banding is sometimes used a shorthand way to describe the difference...however something as relatively fluffy as the number of bands would never make it up for a full scientific definition of a speceis or a subspecies, so you can bet that is not the only morphological difference.
So pattenless, or not, or even morphing the current bloodlines into having one more or one less band would not make them another subspecies.

MFG
Sune
 
Paul de Boer Jr.

Paul de Boer Jr.

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Corrina, I have had trouble finding wheeleri wheeleri in a collection outside of AUS also. As far as the difference, I can't find any texts that describe it, but in my studies I have run across some maps indicating the two species have been sighted in much different parts of the country. Unfortunately, I am not finding where I recorded what I learned ;) If I find it I will certainly let you know.
 
Paul de Boer Jr.

Paul de Boer Jr.

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Alright, I'm back. As to their distribution, w. cinctus is found from the Cane river and Mardie south, to Ullawarra and Mt. Vemon, and east to Jiggalong. This was determined by the finding of 66 specimen. The finding of 35 wheeleri wheeleri were all south of that. The northern most w.w. was found about the same latitude as the town of Carnarvon, but this is the same as the southern most finding of w. cinctus.

So I guess its not a much different part of the country, but still a curious difference. The climate is slightly different, the w.w. were found in slightly cooler areas with more average rainfall, and the w. cinctus were found in areas with more variance in elevation and closer to the coast.

If anyone runs across anything more substantial I would love to read it, because, like I said, I can't really find anything beside what I have here.
 
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Simon

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Wheeleri

Interesting to read everyones opinions. I have documented and photographed wild specimens and found the variety in sizes and banding to be quite varied. So do not pay ay attention to the number of bands etc.
And Ken I love the variety of colours and lack of banding you are producing, I only wish we had the numbers to product anything similar.
Good luck, and still keen to see your caging set up.

regards simon
 
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