Rescued Tokay!?

rhacoboy

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Whether he/she sells the stuff or not is not helpful to me in anyway...

Agreed. Lets try to stay on topic here instead of possibly causing this thread to be closed. I'm sure the lost tail is ok. I'm not sure about the broken jaw though. Does anyone on here know how to possibly help that situation? Poor gecko. I'm not sure if they're native to florida, but weather or not they are, good job to rescue a gecko in need. I hope he's ok.

Good luck
 
the diet is great an would work for him, the man is trying to help. that stuff has all nutrients and is easy to swallow for the tokay. get over yourself aren't you on here to get help for him? not to bitch
 

Lizardfreak16

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Tokay gecko

Hi, my gecko suffered the same injury a broken jaw. I want to take her to a vet but I cant afford it. She can still eat she just has trouble keeping it in her mouth. Their isn't any open wounds so I have no problem keeping it clean. The only thing I'm wondering is if she will be okay without medical attention. I'm just looking for some tips.
 

aquamentus_11

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without pics/films of the jaw, we can't help very much as far as what needs to be done. are you sure that it's broken? how was it injured? how long ago? are there other injuries? if the jaw is broken, she needs to see a vet: the fracture will not heal properly if she's using her jaw and she will probably have lifelong problems eating. sorry that you're a little tight on cash, but she relies on you and you need to make it happen. often, vets will work with you if you need help paying the bill. call ahead and tell them the situation.
 

billewicz

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I think keeping it clean is good, if he can still eat insects you are good, you should also try feeding him some Repashy MRP diet, either the Crested Gecko Diet or two-part food. If he does not show improvement or deteriorates in the next few weeks then do seek a herp vet. There are tons in Florida, which wild tokays do roam although they are not native!

I'm with Cliff on the Crested Gecko diet. Once you do get a Tokay 'hooked' on all the 'sugar', it' usually will not go back to crickets or roaches. And they just get really fat and may not breed.

Tokay are not omnivores, they are carnivores and should be feed accordingly.

As for the broken jaw, ....

Broken jaws are difficult to impossible to set but oral antibiotics, pain and inflammation meds which are available from any vet will help the Tokay heal faster. And yes, it is a long recovery.

If he/she stops eating then get a packet of Ox Bow Carnivore Care™ which is a premium recovery food which can be given to carnivores/Tokay with poor nutritional status resulting from illness or surgery. Most vets carry this as well.

Please spend some time reading through some of the older threads on this forum. This will help with husbandry and stress reduction. Meal worms, for instance, are very poor in nutrition. Quality gut loaded crickets or roach are much better.

Good luck and all the best,

Michael's Tokay Hoard @ www.billewicz.com
 
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Riverside Reptiles

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I would think that one of the zoo grade insectivore chows would be more closely matched nutritionally than the carnivore which is made for animals that eat mostly other mammals and not insects. I don't know that it would really matter one way or another for short term care like a few days. But it seems as though it could make a great deal of difference for long term care with something like a broken jaw.
 

billewicz

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I would think that one of the zoo grade insectivore chows would be more closely matched nutritionally than the carnivore which is made for animals that eat mostly other mammals and not insects. I don't know that it would really matter one way or another for short term care like a few days. But it seems as though it could make a great deal of difference for long term care with something like a broken jaw.

FYI: The Ox Bow product, (Oxbow Animal Health | Carnivore Care?) is exactly what Dr. Scott Stahl, (SEAVS.com - Stahl Exotic Animal Veterinary Services) and I'm to understand, most reptile vets use to feed long term convalescing reptiles. The product was developed for zoos and vets and is only available from a veterinarian.

The Tokay with a broken lower jaw that he set and splinted was on this product for 4 months before her jaw was strong enough to tackle live insects again. She is healthy alive, well and breeding today.
 

Lizardfreak16

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Congratulation for saving the guy and just so I'm sure I'm have enough money how much did it all cost and could I see a picture of the big guy I love reptiles.
 

billewicz

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Ox Bow food: $19 per bag, two bags over 4 months.
Meds: About $30 or $40
Vet visit: $60

Pricing varies a lot from place to place on all of this.

My Tokay went through 4 hours of surgery because of complications in setting a pin in her very fragile lower jaw. I don't know how bad yours is or what you will opt to do. Obviously most folks will not go the surgery route.

Total surgery, etc. was about $1,300.

Good luck.
 

Lizardfreak16

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Well mine has no open wound and it doesn't look like it broken so it doesn't look like she'll need surgery but maybe a splint or cast like things to keep it in place. I'll try to get photo and thanks for the help. I think I will be able to take her to a vet.
 

billewicz

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You will have a couple of different approaches that the vet can suggest.

One might be to just provide pain and inflammatory meds and see if she heals on her own. A reptile vet might use a sedative and attempt to realign the jaw. The outcome can be better or worse.

All these are up to the vet and I can't help you other than to give you some expectation of what is available and what you could expect.

If this is a mating wound, the recovery might be better than if she dislocated/broke it while biting down hard in a defensive act.
 

Lizardfreak16

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It is not a mating injurie because I noticed it after her mate became ill and passed away. I wish their was also something I could have done for him.
 

Riverside Reptiles

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FYI: The Ox Bow product, (Oxbow Animal Health | Carnivore Care?) is exactly what Dr. Scott Stahl, (SEAVS.com - Stahl Exotic Animal Veterinary Services) and I'm to understand, most reptile vets use to feed long term convalescing reptiles. The product was developed for zoos and vets and is only available from a veterinarian.

The Tokay with a broken lower jaw that he set and splinted was on this product for 4 months before her jaw was strong enough to tackle live insects again. She is healthy alive, well and breeding today.

I have no problem with Scott, but just because it's what he suggests doesn't make it the best thing. Nor does it mean that there's not something better out there that he hasn't tried. Having worked in exotic animal medicine most of my adult life, I know better than to get too wrapped up in the opinions of any one doctor (or any one person be it a doctor or not). I can see where that would be very good for a monitor or tegu, but since tokay are mainly insectivores not carnivores, I would think that a zoo grade insectivore diet would be far more nutritionally balanced properly for a tokay than a mammal based product made for carnivores. Again, on a short term basis, it's not likely to matter much. But for something that required long term feeding of the product, I'd prefer to go with something more nutritionally balanced for the animal in need. Just the statement "use to feed long term convalescing reptiles" scares me in that there are SO many different nutritional needs for different reptile species that to think that any one diet would be appropriate for the majority of reptiles (especially sick or injured ones) simply can't be right.
 
I'd have a lot more buy in with feeding Repashy to Gekko if the protein base was dehydrated insects, my Gekko are very hit or miss with the stuff, its fine as an insect filler in the enclosure though, I'll give it that much.

Maurice Pudlo
 
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