Discussion about leopard gecko morphs combos and colors

SaSobek

SaSobek

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ok guys lets do this as a group project. We all would like to see a sticky tread on morphs so people could see what they have.

Lets just keep this on task and not get out of control.

no question is a stupid question

a lot of names are actually combos of different traits all in one gecko. Some names are lines of breeders geckos. I think the list below are the ones that we know of for sure right now. Some act weird like the giant and the eclipse gene. So it will be kind of a touch subject as far as labeling them what they really are. Some are so new that we don’t understand just how they work I will make a special spot just for them till it is proven what they are. (black pearl, White and yellow, calico, and marbled eye)

Breeders that have worked with any of this stuff that could prove that any of the traits act an exact way please chime in. I have not worked with all of the new stuff that is out there yet.

I think I broke it down to this as of right now.

So lets talk about this and make the best morph list that we can. I will write the list of combos later. This is just the list of the building blocks. That make every thing that we have right now.


Sub Species of Leopard Geckos

Eublepharis angramainyu
Eublepharis fuscus
Eublepharis hardwickii
Eublepharis macularius afghanicus
Eublepharis macularius Fasciolatus
Eublepharis macularius macularius
Eublepharis macularius montanus
Eublepharis turmenicus

Recessive morphs

Blizzard
Murphy Patternless

Albino types
-Bell
-Rainwater (Las Vegas)
-Tremper

Dominant
Wild type
Enigma
TUG Snows
Gem Snows
White and Yellow

Co Dom

Mack snow

Pattern
Banded
Aberrant
Jungle
Stripe
Reverse Stripe
“Patternless Stripe”
Hypo (Hypomelanistic)
Super Hypo (Hypomelanistic)
Baldy
Carrot head
Carrot tail
Color
Tangerine
High yellow (Hyper Xanthic)
Pastel
Black (hypermelanistic)
Lavender
Size
Giant

Eye traits
Eclipse
Blizzad eye trait
Marbled eye
 
cat_named_noodles

cat_named_noodles

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You should probably list the Species and subspecies separately, IMO

Species:
Eublepharis angramainyu
Eublepharis fuscus
Eublepharis hardwickii
Eublepharis turmenicus
Eublepharis macularius

E. macularius Subspecies:
Eublepharis macularius afghanicus
Eublepharis macularius Fasciolatus
Eublepharis macularius macularius
Eublepharis macularius montanus
 
Zilla

Zilla

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ok here is a question for you guys out there. The pastel is listed as a pattern type. but isn't there also a mack pastel? are these the same things or 2 different types. mack pastels are suposed to be super bright yellow and jet black when they hatch out. not sure how the genetics work on it but I think that you get a 1/4 chance of hatching one and if you breed 2 together you get all mack pastels, but there is no super form. I will look for the link that I got this from and post it if I when I find it again.In a nut shell it just makes your leos hatch prettier and brighter.
 
SaSobek

SaSobek

Member
cat_named_noodles said:
You should probably list the Species and subspecies separately, IMO

Species:
Eublepharis angramainyu
Eublepharis fuscus
Eublepharis hardwickii
Eublepharis turmenicus
Eublepharis macularius

E. macularius Subspecies:
Eublepharis macularius afghanicus
Eublepharis macularius Fasciolatus
Eublepharis macularius macularius
Eublepharis macularius montanus
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ok that would be fine with me. good idea
 
SaSobek

SaSobek

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Zilla said:
ok here is a question for you guys out there. The pastel is listed as a pattern type. but isn't there also a mack pastel? are these the same things or 2 different types. mack pastels are suposed to be super bright yellow and jet black when they hatch out. not sure how the genetics work on it but I think that you get a 1/4 chance of hatching one and if you breed 2 together you get all mack pastels, but there is no super form. I will look for the link that I got this from and post it if I when I find it again.In a nut shell it just makes your leos hatch prettier and brighter.
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this is true. there is two different types of pastel that are talked about. but i don’t know how genetic it is that’s why i didn’t put it in there. there are a few other "morphs" that i did not include because of its really not a morph but just a "by product" of a morph and the by product acts random and fallows no genetic pattern at all. Like when you breed a blizzard to a normal you usually get high speckled babies. But a high speckled gecko dose not mean that it is het for blizzard. The other one is and this could get a little touchy, but in my opinion Emerines are really not a morph but more of a sales thing. With some time maybe we could call it selectively bred like a Tangerine. But in me working on mine for the past 2 years some come out greenish and some don’t. its not predictable at all. Also the fact that they can give you Raptors and Eclipse, Moves them more into the by product category. I’m not saying that they are not different , because they are and I am working on them to make them more “green” but I just don’t think it’s a true morph right now. Like I said there will be a spot I will put unproven or selectively breed “morphs”/colors/patterns

But back to the Pastel. I have worked with Mack snows for 4 years now. I only look at them as Mack snow, super snow, or normal. I don’t make a deal about if they are a “pastel”. I have never held them back to try to breed them and to be honest could never tell a “pastel” hatchling from a normal hatchling. Some hatchlings are lighter then others even not from a snow line. My pure lines of Afgan and Fascio, even thoughts babies come out lighter/darker then each other. In my opinion the Mack “pastel” is more a way to sell non Mack’s. but if anyone has some genetic results that would be helpful here I would greatly appreciate it. If we cant we will put them with the Emerine, under looks different but not geneticaly proven.
 
cat_named_noodles

cat_named_noodles

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I've heard that a pastel was the same as a ghost- is this true? Is a MS Pastel the same as a MS Ghost? And what do you consider Creamsicles (a line bred trait?)? JMG has some awesome ones that I really like. :)
 
Zilla

Zilla

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MS Ghost is a hypo MS i Think and a Creamcicle is a super hypo snow bred to a super hypo tangerine to bring out the orange color. It is line bred and it takes at least 3 generations to get a good creamcicle from what I understand.
 
Zilla

Zilla

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Creamsicles are SHT mack snows. They are trying to get more carrot tails on them from what i have read.
 
yellermelon

yellermelon

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Ray Hine ghost?
Letkeys shatter eye in the uknowns..howeever it could be the same or simular to Dans marble eye Rainwaters...I dunno lol..
What about albeys dorsal stripe?
Nieves tangerine?
Red stripe?
 
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hyposhawn

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cat_named_noodles said:
I've heard that a pastel was the same as a ghost- is this true? Is a MS Pastel the same as a MS Ghost? And what do you consider Creamsicles (a line bred trait?)? JMG has some awesome ones that I really like. :)
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Creamsicle is SHTCT or SHTCTB bred to a Mack snow. I think creamsicles are linebred.
 
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hyposhawn

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Zilla said:
Creamsicles are SHT mack snows. They are trying to get more carrot tails on them from what i have read.
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To get a little more carrot tail you can breed a SHTCT or SHTCTB to a Mack snow. I understand that they also do creamsicle x carrot tail to get more orange on the tail. But SHTCT or SHTCTB is like a headstart:D
 
RamseysReptiles

RamseysReptiles

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now Ron has Blue Bellies, potentially another strain of albino and is working on his own line of black geckos and don't forget the Black Velvet Line.
 
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hyposhawn

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Let's cotinue this discussion. I love talking about morphs. How long will it take Ron Tremper to make the blue bellied Leo?
 
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