Look at this little guys!!I love them

TripleTGecko

TripleTGecko

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Here are two of my little leopardgeckos.

I think they are really beautiful :biggrin:


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I think this looks like a BEE what do you think??


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And this look for me like a patternless.

So now please help me!!
The father is a Tremper Albino Enigma
The mother is a Tangerine het. Tremper Albino.
So how could I get this two little guys??
What do you think about this little babys, they just hatched this weekend

Greetings Tomy
 
MXWreptile

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Number one look like a BEE. I guess the second one is a Tremper Enigma and the other one a normal Tremper. But I can't really tell, because the pics are to small...;-)



Max
 
TripleTGecko

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look at my homepage, Pics
the pics are little bigger, myby they are big enough.
You know my biggest problem is, how can these 2 hatch from pairing an enigma tremper albino with a tangerine het tremper albino!!
It makes no sense to me!!
You i'm really happy but i don't understnad it!!!
 
MXWreptile

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Simple stuff! You paired Tremper x het Tremper, you got two Trempers. Usually you hatch from this pairing one Tremer and one normal, BUT sometimes you hatch two albinos. I paired LV x Enigma het LV and hatched in 5 eggs just one LV and no Enigma others were all normal het LV, and egg 6 and 7 were both LV Enigmas. This stuff do sometimes happen with Enigmas.



Max
 
TripleTGecko

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Ok, BUT the eclipse gene was not in one of the parents also the petternless gene was in none of the parents, so i don't think the stuff is that easy!!!
So please think a second time over it :)
 
MXWreptile

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As I told you before, up to right now, I can't tell anything more then I already did. The pics are way to bad..


Max
 
EBH

EBH

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perhaps both parents were poss. het. raptor...
Some breeders don't mention it

Edwin
 
TripleTGecko

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Thanks, good idea, but this is a german breeder, i know him very well, and you can be sure, would they be het RAPTOR he would tell me and they had cost much more!!
But this is the best idea i heard until know! I hope somebody else have also an idea!!Let's see, because the little ones should both be girl i can't breed them back to the father to see more.
 
Allee Toler

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MXWreptile said:
Number one look like a BEE. I guess the second one is a Tremper Enigma and the other one a normal Tremper. But I can't really tell, because the pics are to small...;-)



Max
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Don't ask what they are, get the answer, then say we're wrong. If we didn't know we wouldn't post.
 
TripleTGecko

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Sorry, but mayby here went something really wrong.
I said, "I think the first looks like a BEE to me, the second one like a petternless Enigma. And I don't understand how these two can hatch by pairing a Tremper Enigma with a Tangerine het Tremper"
That's my problem ok?
So I think I know enough about genetic to know when pairing a Albino with a het. Albino that 50% should be Albino and 50% should be hets again.
And maybe the second one could just be a real bright Tremper Enigma, maybe!
BUT!!!!! where came the Eclipse from?? I'm nearly sure that both perents are NOT het RAPTOR (but for me this was the only helpfull thing written here). All I want were some other ideas how it could happen to hatch a BEE. You know I'm really not sad about this but for me it is just a enigma ^^
And the other thing which would have been helpfull were some ideas how to i can prove that the little ones are what i think they are. Or how i can prove if the male or female are het RAPTOR. That was what i wanted. Not some senteces about genetic knowing, because i think me knowing about the genetic is good enough that i know what can hatch by breeding an albino to an het albino. And I also know that the possibility to hatch an enigma is by 50% so that was never my ask!!
Hope now some people can help me further.
 
TripleTGecko

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I should learn more about genetic??
Do you know what a BEE really is??
I never read something in your posts what do you think where the black eyes came from.
And maybe the pictures are to bad but belive me both eyes are totally black!!
So where is your idea for this?
I don'T care about your breeding of LV albinos, and I know the mathematic posibility what should hatch when I breed different genes, and I also know that this are just mathematic posibilitys so this also could be 5% or 95% in some clutches. But what are your ideas where the Eclipse came from, you wrote it should be a BEE but you never wrote how this could happen. And maybe it's just a Tremper Enigma I would say it's petternless and if so, where came this from. These are the questions since I opend this thread! I never read something about them.

Oh that I don't forget it. I ask about 15 big breeders in Europe and USA they all could tell me quite exactly how much geckos they have, including how many males how many females and how many subadults or hatchlings. Also most of them have a real nice homepage, where they sell their animals. So I'm a little confused about you!
 
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