deformed gecko

python1324

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I had one egg that was taking a while to hatch. finally it did and the gecko is deformed!!!:shock: its tail is just a nub and one eye is really small. The parents were a normal and a raptor. Whats even stranger is that the gecko appears to be albino and the one good eye is half eclipsed. I feel bad for the little guy and don't know what to do. All others are normal. I will post a pic later in the day.

does anyone know what this is from?
 

Holly123

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Tbh I know nothing of breeding so I couldn't tell you what happened, I guess it's just something that happened. As long as he's feeding well and seems generally content I wouldn't worry about him :)
 

lickyoureyeballs

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It could be due to incubation temps. We once had an incubator break and ended up with a few fat tailed geckos with 5 limbs, backwards legs, etc. None lasted very long.
 

OffshoreMetal

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This seems like a major deformation because he looks weird. But if its only the tail and one eye that is deformed ( That means , If no internal organs are deformed ) This gecko can still live a happy and long life. Take care of him and i am sure he will love you back.
 

Riverside Reptiles

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It's all about quality of life. If it's going to suffer from it's deformities, you can cull it. Or, if it's not suffering, you can keep it (or give it away) as a pet. Obviously it shouldn't be used as a breeder.
 

python1324

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She seems to be doing ok right now. I have yet to offer her any food. I want to keep her alive even if I have to hand feed her that s fine by me I just hope she’s not in any pain. Im really getting attached to her.
 

MellowMan24

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as long as her internal organs are fine then i dont think she will die but i hope shes not in pain a picture might give us an idea of whats wrong
 

acpart

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I have hatched several geckos with mild to moderate deformities and have decided to take reasonable measures to keep them alive and then either give them to someone who can take care of them or, in the case of mild deformities, sell them at a reduced rate. What I consider reasonable measures is mostly hand feeding. I have found that some people actively want to provide a home and care for geckos with deformities. I have also had some that have not survived despite my care, but I consider that to be the way things are turning out to be for the best.

Aliza
 

python1324

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deformed2.jpg


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Here she is. :(

Im thinking she will be fine. Im a little concerned about her spine by her tail and like a few people have said if she is deformed on the inside.
 

Hilde

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Staff member
I'm thinking the problem can be traced to a shortage of Vitamin A, possibly due to improper calcium supplementation.
I posted about this a few years ago and copied it here (don't have much time tonight to just post the pertinent info.) Some of it doesn't completely apply to your problem, but it's worth noting.

Here's what a shortage of Vitamins A can do.

VITAMIN A: PROVEN BENEFITS

: Promotes bone growth, teeth development, reproduction.
: Helps form and maintain healthy skin, hair, mucous membranes.
: Builds body's resistance to respiratory infections.

What this vitamin does:
: Essential for normal function of retina. Combines with purple pigment of retina (opsin) to
form rhodopsin, which is necessary for sight in partial darkness.
: Necessary for growth of bone, testicular function, ovarian function, embryonic development,
regulation of growth, differentiation of tissues.


VITAMIN A: INTERACTION WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES
: Antacids decrease absorption of Vitamin A and fat-soluble vitamins D, E, K.

So, what does this mean as far as gecko husbandry is concerned?

Note.... it's necessary for embryonic development, and proper functions of the reproductive
functions in males and females. Also, antacids can decrease absorption.
Antacids are normally calcium based. That suggests excess calcium in the digestive tract can
block absorption of Vitamin A and D (I won't worry about E & K here). With a shortage of Vitamin
D you can get MBD symptoms even though there is ample calcium available. It's easy to increase
the calcium available, dusting more often, even to the point of 'icing' the bugs with calcium,
all of which just puts more 'antacid' into the system. Less and less Vitamin A & D is
available.... a vicious circle. The result is a gecko with possible MBD even though it's on
calcium substrate and gets calcium supplement. AND you have .... a severe shortage of Vitamin A.
You can't see the vitamin A shortage easily, except for possibly poor vision and/or aim when
hunting. Rough skin is usually shrugged off as a 'bit of a bad shed' and hope it works better
next time. If not.... well, we'll just remove the stuck skin with a cotton pad. And so the
circle continues.... more calcium, less vitamin A & D.
The next big worry is the Next Generation. They're hatched tiny, short tails, missing or
deformed eyelids, a pouch-like flap of skin under the chin, weak, poor vision or even blind. It
gets shrugged off as 'one of those things, it does happen even in the wild".

Who would have thought it could be traced to excess calcium?
 

python1324

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Wow thanks that’s a lot of great information. I had no idea of Vitamin A’s significance. Well I hope this wasn’t my fault in anyway. I do always dust my crickets with calcium and provide a bowl full as well. I just figured they would need more when breeding. I do use multivitamin powder but not regularly just here and there. I don’t want to give them too much D3. Rep-Cal Herptivite Multivitamin doesn’t use Vitamin A because of toxicity? Instead they use Beta Carotene which is later converted into vitamin A. My crickets are gut loaded with vegetables that I believe contain vitamin A. I also use flukers gut load and orange cubes.



Also shouldn’t this gecko be normal Het raptor? Why is she albino eclipse?
 

MellowMan24

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she doesn't look in pain but i'm not her. is she active? or does she just lay in one spot and not move? if i were u and i had the time to take care of her i would. she looks like a normal het raptor.
 

OffshoreMetal

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It doesnt look that bad. If hes active he is probably in goo health.
Just a question... Im not telling him to do this but im just curious. If this gecko can drop his tail ( or its small tail in this case ) Will it grow back to normal or it will grow back like it is right now ?
 

MellowMan24

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It doesnt look that bad. If hes active he is probably in goo health.
Just a question... Im not telling him to do this but im just curious. If this gecko can drop his tail ( or its small tail in this case ) Will it grow back to normal or it will grow back like it is right now ?

thats a good point but to make him/her drop their tail will cause major stress witch in this case might make the leo die wont it? its a good idea tho in some ways but i dont think it will work
 

Cartman

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I don't know... It doesn't seem that bad or ugly... it,s special.. :) and unusual... Love him/her and maybe it will be fine... and you will have one of a kind gecko...:) just don't get rid of him on some ugly way... :( I know I wouldn't...
 

Angelicka

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The cause of a deformity can be from a dietary defficiency as stated above, or from other sources. I believe somebody had already mentioned incubation temp fluctuations. It can also be genetic in nature. It could be something from the father, mother or a combination of the two. You stated that all the other babies from the pairing turned out just fine, so I am guessing it is one of the congenital issues, but just wanted to mention that genetics are still a possibility.
 

CSMGecko

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Unfortunatly I can't see the pics on this computer. But from all the other posts, I agree that if she seems to be happy and healthy then care for her but if you are just prolonging agony I would take her to a vet. The deformaties are most likely due to a temp flux in the incubator, if the temps vary more than a degree or 2 rapidly then it can cause deformities in forming of the gecko. Luckily this year I didn't have any problems. What type of incubator are you using.
 
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