My personal opinion on the "like" button

miguel camacho!

New member
I guess it hasn't just been implemented recently, but I feel as though there is sometimes a destructive manner in which the "like" button is used. It's not just here, it's everywhere, and I haven't seen the issue addressed.

I'm sure the intent for the like button is innocent. It's a way to reduce clutter on the forums, a simple way of saying you like something, maybe even a way of giving thanks to people for sharing photos, information, facts, opinions, etc.

However, there seems to be a somewhat sinister way in which the like button is used. Here, as with any online forum, users often enter - and I'm sure in a civil manner are encouraged to - debate. I see where it creates a divide and starts to show the parties who want to express their side of debates without having to reiterate what other people have said. But in some cases these debates turn into arguments, sometimes personal. The way that users may dog-pile onto one side of the argument may end up leaving members feeling ostracized. I know we're all welcome to our own opinions, for we would not be individuals without them. But sometimes it appears to me as though the like button is used at higher frequency in heated (read borderline to straight up uncivil) arguments.

This is not a request to remove the like button, but more of a request for responsible thought before use. Sometimes I look to the left and see the small web-footed gecko from the GU 2011 calendar and maybe chuckle because his expression somehow reminds me of the firey passion many have for the hobby, but also sometimes the eagerness people have to jump aboard one side of a conversation to put off another GU member. Remember, we're all here with common goals: sharing information and improving knowledge.

The bickering between sides has really put me off over the years. Healthy debate is welcome, but too often all it takes is for one person to get defensive/offensive before everyone lets loose and acts like a child. Sure, there's not really an age restriction here, but I like to think that we all have the ability (responsibility?) to act as adults. Let's try to act on that. If you can't respect a difference of opinion, reconsider making that click of the submit button. And to help our community here at Geckos Unlimited grow rather than facilitate fracturing off more specialized gecko forums, consider if hitting the "like" button is really doing anything good. Not everyone is a seasoned pro, and we're all still learning as we go. Try to make a more meaningful contribution before you scroll through a thread to "like" your buddies' posts...because sometimes I see posts with high "like" counts being the most offensive and/or damaging.
 

Nathan Hall

Founding Father
I "liked" this, Mike :) Sorry, I had to do it. Excellent post. A HUGE part of the reason why I gave up working with geckos and gave up this site and forums was the fact that I could no longer deal with the negativity. Sure, I completely burned out selling geckos and wanted the freedom to travel, but I was always utterly dismayed by the splintering of the gecko community. Many of my mentors from the late 1980's are no longer around because they got sick and tired of the drama. I decided to come back on the forums and keep geckos again because I absolutely adore geckos and miss all of the amazing people I became friends with through these forums. I digress...
 

sciteacher

New member
Nathan,
Several years ago when you took a break from geckos, I didn't have the diverse collection that I have now, but even then I appreciated that you were one of the people who freely shared information for everyone to see. Over the years I've learned that if you know the right people and ask the right questions, you can generally get excellent information, but just posting questions on the forums often does not bring answers from experienced keepers, many of whom don't spend a lot of time online. I'm looking forward to hearing more of your experiences from the past, as well as your new ventures.

Gary
 

miguel camacho!

New member
Nathan, this place has no doubt had an instrumental role in how I developed as a keeper. I just find myself frustrated at times now when I see typical childish bickering going on. Over time, anyone who sticks it out learns more and more about the dark side of the herp-keeping hobby. A lot of people get burned, sometimes to the tune of thousands of dollars. It's too easy to cheat people in the days of internet business. But I furthermore get frustrated when people talk in absolutes or in such a matter-of-fact way when it comes down to opinion (or sometimes even misinformation). I don't blame the keepers who decide to keep quiet, but there's a world-wide audience here and it's a great opportunity to make the hobby a better place. If you've got some secrets that help you excel, you can keep it to yourself or you can shout it out at the top of your lungs so everyone can hear (or type it out from the tips of your fingers so everyone can read). Don't hide and wait to be summoned. Don't talk badly about your competitors or hang your dirty laundry out for all to see (leave that for the BOI, if you're so inclined, but no offense to the authorities there but I think it's possibly one of the, if not THE worst thing to happen to the hobby despite intent to protect the good people). I dunno. I'll get into more of a rant if anything if I allow myself to keep going...
 

Marty

Geckos Unlimited
Staff member
For sure the LIKE button can be used in polarizing way, but sometimes it's better to do that, then add another negative post to the thread. There are pros and cons for it's use, that's for sure.

Nathan, I know what you mean about the drama. It's part of the forum life though. I notice that a lot of the hard core people that were active few years ago and have set a lot of the standards typically move on with life (kids, jobs, promotions, etc). They have used the forum to learn what they needed to learn and to establish contacts, maybe businesses, etc and they move on. The benefit they get out of the forum now vs. say 5 years ago is for them diminished. That said, people that are active now, will do the same, will learn, establish contacts, etc and in 5 years will probably do the same. I do notice a trend though, that just like you, many go back to their play ground and start playing on the forums again. May take them a bit to learn the new faces, but I think it's a natural cycle of online socializing. I notice that on my other forums as well, so it's not just a gecko thing. Of course, nothing is absolute and this does not apply to everyone. Just an observation.

btw, nice to see you back ;-)
 

miguel camacho!

New member
Marty, excuse me while I correct what I assume is a grammatical error so great it totally conveys the opposite of what I believe you were trying to say (I hope).

For sure the LIKE button can be used in polarizing way, but sometimes it's better to do that, then add another negative post to the thread.

Don't you mean "...it's better to do that than add another negative post to a thread."?

But I guess, overall, what seems to have gotten worse as of late is people not recognizing they're out of line when they dog-pile into these arguments. And a lot of what I've seen is people not only "liking" every post made to counter a certain member, but also posting more negative responses in addition. But maybe that's just me.
 

bwoodfield

New member
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I'm finding that what you're saying is a perfect example of the problem with forum and text messaging based communication. The personality, emotion and sentiment behind the actual message is not conveyed accurately. The reader will project their own personality and emotion into what they are reading and possibly take the original statement out of context. The result of this is you can have multiple people reading the same comment getting drastically different views on what is being said and how it's said. Something that one person reads as rude and inflammatory someone else can read as being informative and concise, and visa vera. Therefor when they come back later and see that someone has "liked" something that they found rude, it can be construed as a compounding of negativity.

I shall now step down from the soap box.:coverlaugh:
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