Leopard gecko: Still having problems with Shifty...

emilykay405

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So I posted a month or so ago that I'm having problems with one of my leos....well he's still not improved. The vet cannot find anything wrong, he's just not gaining weight and hasn't eaten much the last two days. He refuses to eat dubias, I haven't tried waxworms yet because they aren't the best. It's odd though because he's not wasting away...he's just not gaining any weight.


For reference here's a pic of Shifty and then one of leos we got at the same time:

Shifty:
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Cleo (this pic is actually a couple of weeks old...she's gained about 3 grams since):

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Hardknox

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I have heard of leopards that would eat only certain insects. Most of mine will eat whatever moves but I have one seriously lacking hunting skills that will only eat the easy prey that is mealworms. I would try a couple different insects if he will not take dubias. Crickets with amputated back legs make for easy prey along with mealworms which are much more nutritious than waxworms. I would probably try waxworms as a last resort.
 

bwoodfield

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Hey Emily, if you're concerned about his weight you can put chicken baby food on his lips. He will instinctively lick it off. What temperature do you have the tank at? If the warm side isn't between 90 and 95 it slows down their metabolism which can result in less eating and if they are eating meal worms, there is a chance for impaction.

In the photo of Cleo it looks like you have sand as a substrate. Being that the two leo's are so young I would suggest changing that out and replacing it with paper towel or slate tile.
 

emilykay405

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Hey Emily, if you're concerned about his weight you can put chicken baby food on his lips. He will instinctively lick it off. What temperature do you have the tank at? If the warm side isn't between 90 and 95 it slows down their metabolism which can result in less eating and if they are eating meal worms, there is a chance for impaction.

In the photo of Cleo it looks like you have sand as a substrate. Being that the two leo's are so young I would suggest changing that out and replacing it with paper towel or slate tile.

The hot spot in Shifty's tank hovers between 90 and 95. Shifty has also been moved to another tank in which he does have paper towel substrate. He's been in there since the intial post which was about a month or so ago. I've tried the baby food and he does eat it with gusto but I definitely don't want him to get used to being hand fed and only want that.

I'm considering switching to another form of substrate, however, the sand mimics their natural habitat and thus far I have had no problems...probably because it's not calci-sand.

I have heard of leopards that would eat only certain insects. Most of mine will eat whatever moves but I have one seriously lacking hunting skills that will only eat the easy prey that is mealworms. I would try a couple different insects if he will not take dubias. Crickets with amputated back legs make for easy prey along with mealworms which are much more nutritious than waxworms. I would probably try waxworms as a last resort.

I've been keeping mealworms in his tank...he's eaten 1 in the last two days. Waxworms are definitely a last resort...but I feel like I'm there. I may get some Pheonix Worms and see if he'll take those...
 

bwoodfield

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The hot spot in Shifty's tank hovers between 90 and 95. Shifty has also been moved to another tank in which he does have paper towel substrate. He's been in there since the intial post which was about a month or so ago. I've tried the baby food and he does eat it with gusto but I definitely don't want him to get used to being hand fed and only want that.

I'm considering switching to another form of substrate, however, the sand mimics their natural habitat and thus far I have had no problems...probably because it's not calci-sand.



I've been keeping mealworms in his tank...he's eaten 1 in the last two days. Waxworms are definitely a last resort...but I feel like I'm there. I may get some Pheonix Worms and see if he'll take those...

Honestly, just keep doing what you're doing. If he's eating the chicken baby food and a meal worm here and there, that's fine. I would be less concerned with the hand feeding at the moment just as long as he's eating. Just use tweezers and not your actual fingers and you'll be fine. That's a habit that can be broken later in time.

Don't put him on sand though, keep him on the paper towel. They're natural environment is actually rock and dry, hard-packed clay. Yes there will obviously be some sand here and there, but not a significant amount that there would be an inch deep everywhere. If you want to switch to something else look into slate tiles. You can pick them up at Lowes and Homedepot for around $2 ea for a 12 inch square tile or $5 for a small box of 3 inch tiles.

I've recently been feeding out leo phoenix worms and I've found that she has a hard time eating them. Because he's so small and having eating problems already I wouldn't suggest trying them. Have you tried pin-head crickets? You could feed them to him with tweezers.
 

Mardy

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Don't use sand, go to Homedepot/Lowes and buy some slate tiles. They are $1 per 12x12 piece, very cheap, very natural looking, no impaction problems, and best of all very easy to clean and keep clean. In nature they do live in rock caves, so talk about mimics, you should look into slate/ceramic tiles :)

As for the lil guy not eating in a couple of days, sometimes they will do that. The #1 thing to remember is to not freak out right away and start changing things, picking him up, taking him to vets, rubbing him with all sorts of magic oil and medicine, etc.. If you have the proper environment for him, it's best to leave it alone and you only really need to worry if he goes over 3 days without eating & pooping. You doing all that simply adds stress to them, and stress is what kills them more than anything.

Some of my leopard geckos do skip a feed or two, and I've learned over time to not worry too much about it because when they get hungry, they'll start eating. They're known to not want to eat before they shed and after they shed. They also are known to not eat when they are stressed somehow, and it's up to you to find out why as a caretaker.

Waxworms are not as bad as some people make them out to be. I feed mine waxworms a couple of times a week as treats. They are perfectly healthy as they are fed a balanced meal since I keep mealworms, superworms, and dubias roaches on hand. Yes dubias roaches is probably the most nutritious meal out of them all, but don't expect all leopard geckos to take on them. I have 2 that will absolutely not eat them. Sometimes, they simply don't like certain feeders. So rather than worry about them not eating dubias roaches, give them mealworms and supplement with a waxworm to pack some weight on the lil guy. As long as you dust your feed properly with multi vitamins & calcium, they will do fine.

By the way, take a pic of your tank, it'll help us understand your setup better. And good luck, remember sometimes doing less is better for your leopard geckos.
 

emilykay405

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'm going to check on switching the main big tank to slate tiles but he's going to be kept on paper towels until he starts putting on some weight. He's in a 10 gal right now which is definitely not going to be his perm. home...it's just what we had on hand when I knew we needed to iso him.

I've tried crickets before and he really doesn't take to them, even the pin heads. I already ordered some Phoenix Worms and I will probably still at least give them a try. Until I get them in the mail I'm going to keep offering mealworms 24/7 and hand feed the chicken baby food w/the supplements mixed in.
 

panthergecko

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lol my leopard geckos since eating dubias have forgotten meal worms.
they ignore the common brown cricket or stubbornly eat them.
but the moment they see a dubia they wag their tails and eat eat and eat lol
 

emilykay405

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lol my leopard geckos since eating dubias have forgotten meal worms.
they ignore the common brown cricket or stubbornly eat them.
but the moment they see a dubia they wag their tails and eat eat and eat lol

lol I love the tail wag...esp when a dubia goes into a hide and all you can see is the geckos tail wagging. :crackup:

I have two that will eat them once or twice a week with gusto but as a regular diet they would rather tear into some mealworms.
 

panthergecko

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lucky i have around 50-100 mealworms just turning to beetles. tsk tsk what a shame if i knew they would leave my meal worms alone i would just have fed off meal worms until they were out and by then i would have a growing colony
 

panthergecko

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I agree with Elizabeth try not to switch to any loose substrates until they are at the very least 40 grams and 7+ inches.
 
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