PLEASE Do not ever use sand in your cage

Harley_Davidson

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I just get mine at HOme Depot. I lucked out cause one of the salesmen has a bearded dragon so when I told him what its for he sells me a whole box for half price so long as I take a cracked one or two....LOL...... last time I took a free box that was mostly all cracked tiles so I got three boxes for the price of one......SCORE!
 

XoVictoryXo

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I just get mine at HOme Depot. I lucked out cause one of the salesmen has a bearded dragon so when I told him what its for he sells me a whole box for half price so long as I take a cracked one or two....LOL...... last time I took a free box that was mostly all cracked tiles so I got three boxes for the price of one......SCORE!

awesome deal!! Im going to try these out. Do you only use undertank heater??
I would love to see a picture of the best leopard gecko setup that exists! :)
 

cricket4u

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In nature, there is an ecosystem to break down bad bacteria and lizards in the wild develop a resistence to it that Lizards in captivity do not have. Even when people clean feces with a litter scoop the bacteria is still in the sand until it is completely changed.
Very good point!! Some people only think of impaction, when septicemia is on top of the list in causes of reptile death.
 
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cricket4u

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You've only been using sand for 6 years. After 8 years my uncle had an ugly death from playsand and trust me it had nothing to do with bad husbandry. he had top of the line equipment and treats his herps like gold. Small amounts began staying back in the intestines over time that ended up in a nasty infection and not even surgery saved him. Using any sand is only pleasing our selfish existence.

First, I am totally against Calci- sand.

I refuse to comment on the subject of other sands due to the fact there is so much involved. Most of us are skeptics and for the most part within reason. However, being fair and nowhere near perfect I understand that some days we post under exhaustion(which I am guilty of) or under an irritable state and fail to get our point accross.

Unfortunately if we are not precise, careful and provide full details our statement will not be taken seriously or will be challenged. It will be helpful if you provided more details on the matter. Did the reptile (which I believe you meant and not your uncle:biggrin:) die of impaction or due to infection?
 

nickexotics

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:rofl: Guys cut me some slack, i'm a busy man. This is what happened. The gecko was still pooping but uncle said he thought he saw a trace of blood. Took him to a vet, no parasites in stool, they did an exray and some abnormality and the vet said it would to best to a study using barium. The vet could see there was a problem with a part of the intestine, some of the barium did not enter the part of the intestine. Blood was taken and showed infection and he put the gecko on antibiotics but said he needed surgery right away. It turns out he had developed a obstipation from the substrate and part of the gut had died. The vets plan was to cut that portion out but in the middle of the procedure the geckos heart stopped. They did a necropsy since he was already there and they found nothing else wrong with the gecko. I'm not talking bs, I have better things to do. I seen things like this all the time years ago when I worked at a vet office. How many herps die and nobody knows of what? There is alot of issues with substrate. Abrasions from wood and some are toxic like mulch that can let out phenols and some come with mites. We had herps come in with fungal infection, ulcerative stomatits, all kinds of infections and parasites. Some will reinfect themselves by ingesting the dirty substrate. Some get prolapse from substrate being sucked up while pooping. Unless you have a natural vivarium with all kinds of critters like springtails, something is bound to go wrong one day.
 

Palor

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Maybe I will contact P.E.T.A. and write mass letters to the pet store chains. I feel like Lizard owners need to come together and start a movement and make a big stink about it. Ill update back here if I make any progress, If anyone would like to help out with that, Let me know... Ill provide info. It is worth trying to me! Mass merchandising products that kill your pets? There should be laws against it!

Never contact PETA. They will just ban the geckos.
 

geckodan

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It's quite odd but we see very little impactions here in Australia - Partly that is due to the species we keep being naturally sand dwelling species (we keep no geckos exotic to Australia), mostly its because we offer more appropriate fine, smooth sands (aka desert sand). In 30 years, I have personally only had two cases of impactions, both in hatchling dragons. When I see the rare clinical case it's due to innapropriate substrate choice for the individual involved. I fear however that our glory run is about to end as some moron locally has located a source of crushed marble, is making it pretty coloured and is selling by the ton as a safe Calci-sand equivalent in sizes up to 12 mm - and the aussie herpers are lapping up the hype in his info sheet.
 
that is so sad i hate when people do stuff just to make a profitand dont care abou the welfare of the animals. I also hate how reptiles at pet bstore are housed on sand and I wish I could go tell them to move them off it but I think they would just get angered. Plus most chain pet stores dont even care as long as they sell the animals. UGH people sometimes.
 

cassicat4

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Good timing. I've heard of many people considering giving Leopard Geckos as pets for Christmas, so it's important they hear the experience side of things and not rely on pet store marketing to make their decisions.

I honestly don't even know why Calci-Sand is made. It's high-risk, at best, for most species. While I won't use any form of ingestible substrate myself for my leopard geckos, I know of many keepers who house theirs on other forms of natural sand or soil without incident. Pet stores could easily market playsand or a soil/sand mix instead which would likely be much cheaper with less risk.

But, then again, we could spend all day discussing what pet stores should be doing differently.
 
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