Two new rescues and a big ol' sweetie

[cricket4u]

How is it possible that the vet will not call you with results and start the treatment right away. Unless you have never paid for an initial visit? In that case I understand. A professional vet will not treat a patient without an exam first, that will be careless practice. They are aware that too many people will hear the diagnosis by phone and try to treat them themselves endangering the geckos life. You must go prepared with a dependable financial source.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

How is it possible that the vet will not call you with results and start the treatment right away. Unless you have never paid for an initial visit? In that case I understand. A professional vet will not treat a patient without an exam first, that will be careless practice. They are aware that too many people will hear the diagnosis by phone and try to treat them themselves endangering the geckos life. You must go prepared with a dependable financial source.

Yes, that's the case. I will ask them to look for bacteria on Friday.

 

[aquamentus_11]

This is the problem with everyone wanting to rescue with limited financial resources. It does not make anyone a hero to bring a reptile home and think they are going to cure them with food. At least you have paid for vet visits, unlike some people that bring them home and refuse to take them to the vet.

Heroism should be a label applied to someone by others and should never factor into the decision to help someone, whether animal or human. Not everyone can afford to go the whole nine yards when rescuing a sick animal. In fact, those who try to help with their limited funds are more "heroic" than those who can easily afford to drop a few hundred bucks on vet bills. Nobody brings an animal home because they don't want to properly care for it. Compassion has its place here and while it doesn't cure disease like expensive medical care will, it should be recognized and supported. If only the financially well-off brought home sick animals, there would be a lot more dying in pet stores when all they needed was proper daily care.

By the way, people come to this site because they care enough about their pets to learn how to properly keep them. It can get frustrating reading the same questions over and over, but at least they're asking them. They don't care about their animals any less than anyone else just because they have less experience with them. The people who have the experience that choose to come to this site don't have to reply if they find the questions annoying or repetitive. I'd expect that those who do reply do so because they care. Sometimes that's less evident than it should be.

 

[cricket4u]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am not rich either and therefore know my limits. If I would bring every stray animal home because I felt bad for it, I would end up on the streets myself. What difference am I making by bringing the animal home if I can't afford the medical care they need to survive? I will just be prolonging the animals death by watching him die in my care. My point is we must be realistic with the decisions that we make and know our limits.

 

[cricket4u]

By the way, people come to this site because they care enough about their pets to learn how to properly keep them. It can get frustrating reading the same questions over and over, but at least they're asking them. They don't care about their animals any less than anyone else just because they have less experience with them. The people who have the experience that choose to come to this site don't have to reply if they find the questions annoying or repetitive. I'd expect that those who do reply do so because they care. Sometimes that's less evident than it should be.

Where did this come from? I think we both know who really becomes annoyed with the repetitive questions, not me. I try to help us much as possible, yet you choose to lay that down on me? Of course it's not to your convenience to mention that to the hierarchy. I don't have a problem with questions. I have a problem with laziness.

So that it make sense. This part: I think we both know who really becomes annoyed with the repetitive questions, not me. I try to help us much as possible, yet you choose to lay that down on me? Of course it's not to your convenience to mention that to the hierarchy. was suppose to be a joke so when Ethan read it, he would laugh. Remember his signature?

 

[aquamentus_11]

Where did this come from? I think we both know who really becomes annoyed with the repetitive questions, not me. I try to help us much as possible, yet you choose to lay that down on me? Of course it's not to your convenience to mention that to the hierarchy. I don't have a problem with questions. I have a problem with laziness.

those weren't meant to be fighting words and i have no clue what you mean by hierarchy. i actually like reading your replies a lot (as you can tell since i'm involved in a lot of the threads), but it seems like you overwhelm some of the askers at times and they don't seem to let you know. while i understand that this is your way of caring, they don't. i had hoped that we had had enough interaction on here for me to bring this up to you without it being taken as an attack. i tried to pm it, but you must have disabled pm's.

 

[cricket4u]

those weren't meant to be fighting words and i have no clue what you mean by hierarchy. i actually like reading your replies a lot (as you can tell since i'm involved in a lot of the threads), but it seems like you overwhelm some of the askers at times and they don't seem to let you know. while i understand that this is your way of caring, they don't. i had hoped that we had had enough interaction on here for me to bring this up to you without it being taken as an attack. i tried to pm it, but you must have disabled pm's.

:biggrin: No worries. I have a sarcastic sense of humor at times. I am always misunderstood maybe for being different? I don't know, but the people who really know me complain I am too nice, but that I can be a comedian at times. Wow, the internet is something else or maybe I am just not accustomed to speaking to people through forums. I'm sorry to anyone who I have overwhelmed.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

I wasn't actually trying to be a hero. I just wanted to give these guys a chance. And I really feel more like a failure than a hero because they're not better yet. I confess that I didn't think it would take this long or this much money. But part of that is on my old vet because they didn't do a regular fecal before an acid fast like I asked. But like Cricket said we all make mistakes and learn from them.

It's more about everything at once needing money. I had the money for them and to take them all to the vet when I got them. But then my insurance ran out and I had to start paying it again, and now my poor car needs to be fixed. And I had already taken Kalahari and Sahara to the vet before hand.

If it wasn't so much all at once then it wouldn't be a problem. But it all came out of no where :?

We did apply for the PetCard.ca incase Kalahari does need expensive Xrays or an operation. I can cover it if they use the dental Xray but the secretary doesn't know if they do that.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

So we saw the vet today. Cherish and Sundrop have been prescribed Baytril and Metronidazole. They're being treated for bacterial infections. I'm to take in another fecal for Sundrop to get to the bottom of the worm problem. They gave me this nifty Formaldehyde substance to put the sample in to preserve it in case I can't get to the vet the day I get the sample.

And for Kalahari, The egg seems to be a small kidney shaped mass now. She's waiting on the Xray from the old vet to compare but it looks like one of two things: 1. She could have passed the egg and consumed it or 2. She is absorbing it. The vet has prescribed her a Calcium Glubionate and Baytril. She has reason to believe that there could be infection due to whatever was in the egg leaking out.

All in all it was very informative. They even give out sheets on temps and lighting to make sure everyone is doing it right. So hoefully everyone will start to make a recovery.

Oh also this vet said they tested for crypto aswell and it was negative.

Just want to say that I just found their facebook and they treat any animal you can imagine, lion cubs, turtles, tree frogs, wallabies, pigs etc. It's really cool to see.

 

[cricket4u]

You have no idea the relief I felt when I read this. I kept checking in to see if you had posted news. I am actually excited that they will start the meds and that will give them a chance. I want to cheer, but I feel like I will jinx things.:biggrin: So more details please. Diagnosis? whatever the case is I am just happy they are starting the metronidazole.

 

[aquamentus_11]

when did we find out an egg was involved? how did i miss that?

 

[SamanthaLovely]

when did we find out an egg was involved? how did i miss that?

That's Kalahari, my first gecko. WE found out she was gravid in march and not passed anything yet after being on a calcium supplement for a month or two. I just have been lumping all my posts into one because I don't want to flood a bunch of old post back to the top.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

You have no idea the relief I felt when I read this. I kept checking in to see if you had posted news. I am actually excited that they will start the meds and that will give them a chance. I want to cheer, but I feel like I will jinx things.:biggrin: So more details please. Diagnosis? whatever the case is I am just happy they are starting the metronidazole.

Well the diagnosis is slightly vague. She believes they have a bacterial infection but she says it's really hard to tell with all the natural occurring ones. But they can't find anything otherwise wrong with Cherish. She says it could possibly be that she was born with a mal-absorption problem and if that's the case there's nothing we can do. But that wouldn't explain why both are thin unless they're problems are completely unrelated. Also she was talking about a flu or something that is untreatable that I can't remember what it's called for the life of me.

She said we'll treat for the bacterial infection first and if it turns out that isn't the problem or atleast not all of it we'll go from there.

Obviously Sundrop has some sort of parasite but nothing came up in the fecal besides a protozoa that is naturally occurring. So I'll see if I can catch one with worms in it again. I found one a few days ago but couldn't keep it long enough to take to the appointment.

I am beginning to think it's a regurgitated though because that day she had stool twice in her cage which happens the odd time. And I can't see her going to the bathroom 3 times when I only feed her 0.4cc of food a day.

 

[cricket4u]

Well the diagnosis is slightly vague. She believes they have a bacterial infection but she says it's really hard to tell with all the natural occurring ones. But they can't find anything otherwise wrong with Cherish. She says it could possibly be that she was born with a mal-absorption problem and if that's the case there's nothing we can do. But that wouldn't explain why both are thin unless they're problems are completely unrelated. Also she was talking about a flu or something that is untreatable that I can't remember what it's called for the life of me.

She said we'll treat for the bacterial infection first and if it turns out that isn't the problem or atleast not all of it we'll go from there.

Obviously Sundrop has some sort of parasite but nothing came up in the fecal besides a protozoa that is naturally occurring. So I'll see if I can catch one with worms in it again. I found one a few days ago but couldn't keep it long enough to take to the appointment.

I am beginning to think it's a regurgitated though because that day she had stool twice in her cage which happens the odd time. And I can't see her going to the bathroom 3 times when I only feed her 0.4cc of food a day.

She says it could possibly be that she was born with a mal-absorption problem and if that's the case there's nothing we can do. But that wouldn't explain why both are thin unless they're problems are completely unrelated. Also she was talking about a flu or something that is untreatable that I can't remember what it's called for the life of me.

This does not make sense unless you totally forgot what she said,:lol:
I am pretty confident that they have a bacterial infection and so I know the meds should take care of at least that problem. Now the problem is the metronidazole is repulsive and normally once they taste it once they will give you a hard time. I have seen some side effects, so just keep an eye on them and make sure you dose the amount carefully.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

She says it could possibly be that she was born with a mal-absorption problem and if that's the case there's nothing we can do. But that wouldn't explain why both are thin unless they're problems are completely unrelated. Also she was talking about a flu or something that is untreatable that I can't remember what it's called for the life of me.
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This does not make sense unless you totally forgot what she said,:lol:
I am pretty confident that they have a bacterial infection and so I know the meds should take care of at least that problem. Now the problem is the metronidazole is repulsive and normally once they taste it once they will give you a hard time. I have seen some side effects, so just keep an eye on them and make sure you dose the amount carefully.

It's a bunch of theories jumbled up.

She She says it could possibly be that she was born with a mal-absorption problem and if that's the case there's nothing we can do. But if that is the case for Cherish then what's wrong with Sundrop would be unrelated. So a coincidence that they were both in the same tank and both showing similar symptoms.

And "Also she was talking about a flu or something that is untreatable that I can't remember what it's called for the life of me." It's a flu or something that can't be treated and I think it effects the liver or kidneys but I can't remember. It needs blood tests to detect but she doesn't want to take blood from them via their tails because it would be very stressful in their current states (same with the mal-absorption). And those parts I have probably gotten mixed up.

As for the Metronidazole, if they get picky I can attempt to trick them by getting them to lick food then while their licking give them the Metronidazole. Though it's 0.03 and 0.05 dosages so it shouldn't be too hard.

 

[cricket4u]

You are probably referring to viral. Frodo's liver is a bit of a concern and it would have been best to get the blood work. Repeat visits is quite stressful and it would have been best to get everything done at once. The vet could have received a lot of information via blood. I just hate when they do that and then next thing you know you have to return to get it done anyway. Then you have to pay for another visit and stress the reptile once again. I am not too excited about the Baytril, but I am just hoping it will be for the best. Fingers crossed.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

You are probably referring to viral. Frodo's liver is a bit of a concern and it would have been best to get the blood work. Repeat visits is quite stressful and it would have been best to get everything done at once. The vet could have received a lot of information via blood. I just hate when they do that and then next thing you know you have to return to get it done anyway. Then you have to pay for another visit and stress the reptile once again. I am not too excited about the Baytril, but I am just hoping it will be for the best. Fingers crossed.

They hate it :lol: All of it. I think Kalahari almost threw hers up. And like the vet said they don't really like to eat while taking it. I am assuming she didn't want to stress them out too much so she didn't take the blood today. She's probably also thinking if the medicine clears it up then we won't have to do blood work.

Anyways we'll see how it goes. I'm going to call the vet tomorrow to make sure their reaction is normal.

 

[cricket4u]

They hate it :lol: All of it. I think Kalahari almost threw hers up. And like the vet said they don't really like to eat while taking it. I am assuming she didn't want to stress them out too much so she didn't take the blood today. She's probably also thinking if the medicine clears it up then we won't have to do blood work.

Anyways we'll see how it goes. I'm going to call the vet tomorrow to make sure their reaction is normal.

I knew they were going to hate it. I have taken it and after a few days i could no longer tolerate it. I had bad nausea, my head was pounding and it leaves a metallic taste in your mouth. It's horrible, but a very good med for the GI. What reaction are you concerned about? It is actually used to stimulate appetite in very small doses. I guess the stomache upset is so bad you will want to eat to see if it helps the nausea go away,:biggrin:

 

[cricket4u]

Don't freak out if they begin to appear lethargic. That medication gives you nausea and so they may lay around strangely or have a lost look in their eyes. As long as they are not having seizures or vomiting they should be okay.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

Don't freak out if they begin to appear lethargic. That medication gives you nausea and so they may lay around strangely or have a lost look in their eyes. As long as they are not having seizures or vomiting they should be okay.

Well they definitely seemed like they were going to vomit. No signs of anything yet though. But they try to spit it up in me. They kind of push it out of their mouths and to looks like "foaming at the mouth." I'm sure it's just spit and the syrupy medicine but I'd still like to see if it's normal/Give an update.