Two new rescues and a big ol' sweetie

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

They're coming right up.

Cherish | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Sundrop | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Ignore the weird upload on that one. I'll try it again tomorrow.

Also when I do my usual check over the other night I found a white thing on Sundrop's butt. It extended under the flap of her vent. I tried to just wipe it off thinking it was some urate or something. I didn't come off so I tried a wet Q-tip. That got it off. I figured she just walked through something when I was checking her out. But I saw it again tonight and I got some good quality shots here. So Here they are:

Lizard Butt Oh lizard butt | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
lizard butt - sundrop | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Any idea what they could be?

Hi, my aunt is away for a few day and I don't know as much as her but she left me a lot of info and she had lots of books. The picture is confusing. I cant tell which part is what and what are are talking about. They are so skinny

 

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

Doed she have like an ulcer? any worms there?

 

[SamanthaLovely]

Doed she have like an ulcer? any worms there?

No problem if she's not around. I don't think it's urgent and someone else might know what's up

I'm not sure about an ulcer. I'll have to look into that. Right now they're on medication for bacterial infection and the vet has phoned back yesturday and said we can go ahead and do a dewormer for tapeworms. The only thing is the dewormer is an injection. So I have to decided if I'm going to do it without an actual diagnosis. But because the vet recommended it I'm assuming she thinks there's a good chance the problem is tapeworm and that there are limited to no negative side effects of the injection. I'm wait5ing on a call back today for more information about it.

That's the just of the current situation. I was just wondering if the white things on her butt could have to do with a tapeworm or something like that. I'll ask when the vet tech calls.

 

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

No problem if she's not around. I don't think it's urgent and someone else might know what's up

I'm not sure about an ulcer. I'll have to look into that. Right now they're on medication for bacterial infection and the vet has phoned back yesturday and said we can go ahead and do a dewormer for tapeworms. The only thing is the dewormer is an injection. So I have to decided if I'm going to do it without an actual diagnosis. But because the vet recommended it I'm assuming she thinks there's a good chance the problem is tapeworm and that there are limited to no negative side effects of the injection. I'm wait5ing on a call back today for more information about it.

That's the just of the current situation. I was just wondering if the white things on her butt could have to do with a tapeworm or something like that. I'll ask when the vet tech calls.

Send this picture to the vet. You see the little thing that looks like a hole?
looks like a ulcer. Lizard Butt Oh lizard butt | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
The other picture looks likes like they normally do.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

Send this picture to the vet. You see the little thing that looks like a hole?
looks like a ulcer. Lizard Butt Oh lizard butt | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
The other picture looks likes like they normally do.

The brown spot? That's one of her brown bumps. It's part of her colouring. I had those looked at, at one of her first check ups.

 

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

The brown spot? That's one of her brown bumps. It's part of her colouring. I had those looked at, at one of her first check ups.

Not that. The circle at the bottom. I mean the oval hole looking thing.

 

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

Send this picture to the vet. You see the little thing that looks like a hole?
looks like a ulcer. Lizard Butt Oh lizard butt | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
The other picture looks likes like they normally do.

I almost for got to tell you hat cricket called to check up on me and since nobody replied I updated her on what you said. I had to write it down.:coverlaugh: Are they finished the 2 medications? A fecal should be repeated afterwards. The worms seen can have been 100 other parasites. If eggs are released they can be see with a fecal flotation. Does the gecko have any lumps on the skin anywhere?

 

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

I forgot I wrote on the back of the page. She also asked if they haave continued to show symptoms?

 

[SamanthaLovely]

I forgot I wrote on the back of the page. She also asked if they haave continued to show symptoms?

Well here's an update on everyone.

So far Cherish is back on crickets and her poo this morning was a formed turd, not amazing by any standards but it wasn't a watery mess.
Cherish May 30th 2012 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Sundrop on the other hand isn't eating crickets. She will eat silkworms but won't eat the crickets. Would it be alright to have silkworms as her staple until she gets back on crickets? I keep trying with the crickets but she's not interested. I'm waiting on her to go to the bathroom to see what it looks like.

Lancelot was around 43 grams last time we weighed him and eating steady. He's starting to get chunky now. He tries to eat my fingers sometimes :lol:

As for everyone else:

Kalahari is looking good but her eating is still irregular, 6 crickets one day then only one the next but maybe this is a normal pattern for her. Her calcium bubbles are HUGE now. I'm actually slightly concerned about how big they are. She's still on 0.02cc of Calcium Glubionate for the next 2 weeks.

Sahara is looking really good. Her calcium bubbles are huge too. We've cut down her calcium intake. She's looking pretty chubby. We've nicknamed her ChubChub.

Danny is looking perfect. We're trying to get him to stop pooping on top of his log hide though.

 

[cricket4u]

Well here's an update on everyone.

So far Cherish is back on crickets and her poo this morning was a formed turd, not amazing by any standards but it wasn't a watery mess.
Cherish May 30th 2012 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Sundrop on the other hand isn't eating crickets. She will eat silkworms but won't eat the crickets. Would it be alright to have silkworms as her staple until she gets back on crickets? I keep trying with the crickets but she's not interested. I'm waiting on her to go to the bathroom to see what it looks like.

Lancelot was around 43 grams last time we weighed him and eating steady. He's starting to get chunky now. He tries to eat my fingers sometimes :lol:

As for everyone else:

Kalahari is looking good but her eating is still irregular, 6 crickets one day then only one the next but maybe this is a normal pattern for her. Her calcium bubbles are HUGE now. I'm actually slightly concerned about how big they are. She's still on 0.02cc of Calcium Glubionate for the next 2 weeks.

Sahara is looking really good. Her calcium bubbles are huge too. We've cut down her calcium intake. She's looking pretty chubby. We've nicknamed her ChubChub.

Danny is looking perfect. We're trying to get him to stop pooping on top of his log hide though.

Read this thread please. http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...lepharis/63910-bubbles-3-4-month-old-leo.html

What size crickets are you offering?
Do you dust the silkworms?

 

[SamanthaLovely]

Read this thread please. http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...lepharis/63910-bubbles-3-4-month-old-leo.html

What size crickets are you offering?
Do you dust the silkworms?

For Cherish and Sundrop I offer small crickets 1/2 an inch long. Kalahari and Lancelot get medium ones about 3/4 of an inch. Sahara and Danny get the larger ones around an inch long.

I do dust the silkworms.

All of them use their warm, cool, moist hides the same. They use the moist hides less when they dry out. Air temp is around 80 with the heat setting in and humidity is up around 50-60. Trying to keep the temps down now instead of keeping them up is a real change. We've also got some glass that we're going to make some larger tanks soon.

 

[cricket4u]

For Cherish and Sundrop I offer small crickets 1/2 an inch long. Kalahari and Lancelot get medium ones about 3/4 of an inch. Sahara and Danny get the larger ones around an inch long.

I do dust the silkworms.

All of them use their warm, cool, moist hides the same. They use the moist hides less when they dry out. Air temp is around 80 with the heat setting in and humidity is up around 50-60. Trying to keep the temps down now instead of keeping them up is a real change. We've also got some glass that we're going to make some larger tanks soon.

Do you know that too much calcium can problems digesting? Even too much plain calcium can cause constipation. I recall you gutload with high calcium food which in reality can lead to too much calcium if they are always dusted. Keep an mind that they have access to plain calcium at all times if needed. High calcium food is best used only to increase the calcium 24-48 hours before feeding.

It also sounds like you are having trouble with maintaining a temp gradient. It should not be 80 degrees air temp in the whole enclosure. I suspect part of the problems is poor temp control. Temperatures are a crucial part of recovery. If temps are not under control you will end up loading up the geckos with different meds trying to find a cure, when in reality temps can be the problem. It's a common problem which never has a happy ending.

Reptile in these conditions require perfect husbandry to recover. If the gecko is not warm enough, medication and calcium can go in one end and come out the other without being absorbed. A reptile on medication whose temps are too high can lead to dehydration, increase of uric acid and kidney disease. I know it's not easy, however it's important if you want to succeed.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

Do you know that too much calcium can problems digesting? Even too much plain calcium can cause constipation. I recall you gutload with high calcium food which in reality can lead to too much calcium if they are always dusted. Keep an mind that they have access to plain calcium at all times if needed. High calcium food is best used only to increase the calcium 24-48 hours before feeding.

It also sounds like you are having trouble with maintaining a temp gradient. It should not be 80 degrees air temp in the whole enclosure. I suspect part of the problems is poor temp control. Temperatures are a crucial part of recovery. If temps are not under control you will end up loading up the geckos with different meds trying to find a cure, when in reality temps can be the problem. It's a common problem which never has a happy ending.

Did I not mention I was keeping the window open to cool it down. I've only had them in the cool months so far so I haven't gotten a routine down for keeping the temps right. We've cut down on our calcium the past week.

 

[cricket4u]

Did I not mention I was keeping the window open to cool it down. I've only had them in the cool months so far so I haven't gotten a routine down for keeping the temps right. We've cut down on our calcium the past week.

Well, when I open my windows all that comes in is hot air.:biggrin: I can't provide a gradient without AC. In captivity their space and options are so limited for most. In the wild they find ways to adjust their body temps, by burrowing, squeezing between rocks and grassy areas, ect. That's why a gradient is so important in captivity if you want a gecko to live a long and healthy life.

 

[SamanthaLovely]

Well, when I open my windows all that comes in is hot air.:biggrin: I can't provide a gradient without AC. In captivity their space and options are so limited for most. In the wild they find ways to adjust their body temps, by burrowing, squeezing between rocks and grassy areas, ect. That's why a gradient is so important in captivity if you want a gecko to live a long and healthy life.

I've got them in the basement where it's generally cool and humid. It's also facing east so it only gets morning sun and alot of shade. It stays cool unless someone opens the window when the sun is at the window. The larger tanks will hopefully help too.

Should I be turning off their UTHs for a while if it's too hot? I was unsure because of the need for belly heat. I don't want to confuse them.

 

[aquamentus_11]

if you find that the ambient temp is high enough that it reaches a good value for the hot side of the tank, turn off the heat and try cooling the cool side. you can try a fan as long as it doesn't blast air in there. i've experimented with filling a flat tubberware dish with water and freezing it overnight. the next morning, i put it on top of the screen on the cool side and let it melt there all day. I adjust how much ice, etc. until i get the readings i want. this is a good way to keep a little humidity on that side too. i've never kept a leo, so not sure if this would be appropriate for yours.

 

[cricket4u]

I've got them in the basement where it's generally cool and humid. It's also facing east so it only gets morning sun and alot of shade. It stays cool unless someone opens the window when the sun is at the window. The larger tanks will hopefully help too.

Should I be turning off their UTHs for a while if it's too hot? I was unsure because of the need for belly heat. I don't want to confuse them.

No, you should be using a thermostat.:evil:

 

[SamanthaLovely]

if you find that the ambient temp is high enough that it reaches a good value for the hot side of the tank, turn off the heat and try cooling the cool side. you can try a fan as long as it doesn't blast air in there. i've experimented with filling a flat tubberware dish with water and freezing it overnight. the next morning, i put it on top of the screen on the cool side and let it melt there all day. I adjust how much ice, etc. until i get the readings i want. this is a good way to keep a little humidity on that side too. i've never kept a leo, so not sure if this would be appropriate for yours.

Even if it doesn't work for leos that's pretty genius for other things.

 

[cricketsnieceandrepsitter]

I found this and wanted you to see the video at the bottom. Nematode Parasites

 

[cricket4u]

Any good news from this end?