YoursTruly
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What makes a Powder Blue or Green Tokay Morph? how can you tell it is "powder" and not just a blue or green morph? just curious, Thanks in advance for your helping me understand this!
Powder Blue/Green Tokay
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thehotchik1000
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Powder blue
Recessive (my particular breeders are anyways)
In this case this is the 100% het powder blue female. She does not visually show the patternless powder but she produces it, as you can see with baby. If I hadn't produced her though it would have been very unlikely to know that.
Baby powders like all tokays can go through color changes. They can take tones that range from gray to black to almost a drab olive color. In this case it's just growing tone changes and it's all about genetics in the end.
Olives or blue head olives
Dominant
Also very distinct. The olive line I work with is an olive blue head.
They have a distinct powder blue head with blue possibly also yellow spotting and at times a mint green background, my boys seem to be the straight olive animals.
Keep in mind again that tokays change color due to EVERYTHING from temp, mood and time of day.
Alright I think that's enough pictures for now.
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Recessive (my particular breeders are anyways)
In this case this is the 100% het powder blue female. She does not visually show the patternless powder but she produces it, as you can see with baby. If I hadn't produced her though it would have been very unlikely to know that.
Baby powders like all tokays can go through color changes. They can take tones that range from gray to black to almost a drab olive color. In this case it's just growing tone changes and it's all about genetics in the end.
Olives or blue head olives
Dominant
Also very distinct. The olive line I work with is an olive blue head.
They have a distinct powder blue head with blue possibly also yellow spotting and at times a mint green background, my boys seem to be the straight olive animals.
Keep in mind again that tokays change color due to EVERYTHING from temp, mood and time of day.
Alright I think that's enough pictures for now.
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thehotchik1000
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Also just to add "powder" is really only associated with the blues. And that is solely because of their baby powder blue color.
I guess people will use different terms to describe different animals but I really only think powder when I see the patternless blues.
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I guess people will use different terms to describe different animals but I really only think powder when I see the patternless blues.
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Riverside Reptiles
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What you're talking about is a patternless blue headed green morph I think. As far as I know, they breed true like a simple recessive. As for what you would get as a result of trying to cross it with other blue or green morphs (ie Olive, powder blues, etc), I think you'd just have to experiment and see. Most of these genetics are in the very early stages of being worked with. There's no guarantee how most of them are going to work or interact with each other. That's the stuff we're all working on to figure out.
YoursTruly
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Thanks for the reply's Morgan & Ethan. I know my female is a Patternless Blue headed Green Morph, and was not specifically referring to her, but while we are on the subject, Morgan tells me it is a dominant trait, but Ethan and Michael(Tokay Hoard) say it is a simple receive trait... is it that their are both dominant, and receive patternless blue head green genetics out their?
however the post was indeed referring mostly to the powder blue morph, although I have seen some referred to as powder greens as well. I was just curious what brings about the word "powder" in their name? instead of just calling them blue?
however the post was indeed referring mostly to the powder blue morph, although I have seen some referred to as powder greens as well. I was just curious what brings about the word "powder" in their name? instead of just calling them blue?
Riverside Reptiles
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The "powder blue" morph is basically just a patternless tokay (as blue is their natural background color). The patternless trait is simple recessive as far as we can tell. The green trait, may or may not be more than one trait as there are animals with various degrees and shades of green. In Morgan's particular animal it appears to be dom. Again, this stuff is all very new and there is much to be learned still. Don't take anything as being set in stone. There simply hasn't been enough breedings to say that anything is 100% certain yet. And mixing the traits together is going to produce a whole variety of other things. We should see some pretty crazy stuff coming down the line over the next few years.
thehotchik1000
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Ethan has it right on! There seems to be line differences in many of these tokay genes.
While my green headed blues are Dom. That's been confirmed a few times over now, another line may not be.
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While my green headed blues are Dom. That's been confirmed a few times over now, another line may not be.
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YoursTruly
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ok, thank you for helping me better understand.
YoursTruly
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well since we are talking about BHG genetics... would it be better if I just breed my female to a normal so I can atempt to proove out that gene rather than mixing it up with another one which could possibly be a compleatly different gene?
thehotchik1000
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Well it depends on you, and your plans. But that would be an easy way of proving whether that animal is codom or recessive.
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