Vert conversion opinions

CrestedRick

Active member
Ok so Ive been doing research here in the DIY section about vert kits and there is a ton of helpful info but Ive noticed some people use this Vs this such as silicone Vs epoxy so can those of you who have experience using both weigh in on the pros and cons on some of these items.

Metal hinges Vs a living hinge runningthe length of the door
Latches Vs some of the slide locks shown on some threads
Framing all the panels of glass Vs just sanding the edges down
Vent at top of front conversion kit Vs removing glass top and using vent there
Silicones Vs epoxies (brands youd suggest)

O this tank is for cresteds and they dont require super high humidity levels and i may turn this into a self sustaining viv its currently a nat terr. Thanks Rick.
 

Riverside Reptiles

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Don't have time right now to go into all the various "Vs." stuff. But some options that you missed that you should keep in mind:
Hinges also come in acrylic. Also consider piano hinge (comes in metal or acrylic) vs. multiple hinges.
Something else that can be built into your vert conversion is a small computer fan to aid in ventilation. Also consider if you're going to want to build in a misting system at some point.
 

CrestedRick

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Ya I was thinking about using a "living" or piano hinge the type that comes with some of the kits and running it along the door (going to make the door open sideways rather than up and down) a misting system would probably be put in through the screen portion of the vert kit and the fan I havent really thought about since covering most of the front will help keep the humidity up between mistings.
 

daggekko

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Hey. A lot of it is just going to based off your opinion. I assume you've seen some of the photos and comments I've made on other threads regarding the conversions. Here is my 10 gallon rack. I have 2 on the bottom at this point and still need to do 2 more

I have computer fans on order for the middle and top level because they get too warm during the day.

Metal hinges Vs a living hinge runningthe length of the door
I 2 metal hinges on my tanks. Do I really like them? A little. I could probably look longer and find something I like better. Downside to using the metal hinges is that silicone doesn't like to stick to the plastic frame of the tank. The epoxy will stick, but doesn't really like the plastic rim either. I use loc-tite brand epoxy for plastics. I also have started sanding the plastic under the hinge so the epoxy has something to grab.

I personally wouldn't want a long hinge. Honestly I think the hinges look bad as it is.

Latches Vs some of the slide locks shown on some threads

Latches can be nice. Slide locks can be nice. I've tried with a couple and found that when I start pinning bamboo in the tank it moves the door/frame enough to unalign my latches. I made a frame for the glass door and make sure it doesn't fit real tight, but isn't loose. Most of the doors actually hold themselves shut. On the ones that don't, I use painters tape. Doesn't look good but works good.

I had also tried some hasps with some U shaped pins. Most ended up popping loose. So I just gave up on that

Framing all the panels of glass Vs just sanding the edges down


You can see the U shaped pin and hasp in the second picture. I use silicone and put a bead on the channel that the rubber thing for the screen would sit in. (Can't think of what it is called) I get the glass cut to size to where it will sit in that channel perfectly. I also use a bead around the outside lip of the glass and smooth it out(gently-don't cut yourself). I have found this to work VERY well. The silicone holds the glass to the frame well and the extra bit will keep you from cutting yourself.

Vent at top of front conversion kit Vs removing glass top and using vent there
I have not tried a vent in the front of the tank at the top. I think this would look bad. Granted it will make your conversion very easy. WHen you rotate the tank up and need to get the new "top" piece of glass out, it isn't easy. I bust the glass and take out the shards. Last 4 tanks I got I ended up only being able to use 2 because I more or less destroyed 2 of them.

The other downside to a front vent vs. a top vent is that heating the tank will be more challenging. You won't be able to use heat lamps if you have a front vent. With cresteds you won't have to worry as much, but I keep Phelsuma and they like it a lot warmer. I know that when I mist my geckos the tanks go upwards past 90% humidity for a while.

Silicones Vs epoxies (brands youd suggest)
I use the loctite brand epoxy and whatever the regular silicone that home depot sells. Silicone 1 or 2.
 

CrestedRick

Active member
Ya right now its just one tank divided but eventually have to get another tank so they each have their own tanks. I guess itll have to go with trial and error and what I want the final product to look like. Thank you for the reply its been very helpful. Ill post some pics as I fo the project.
 

CrestedRick

Active member
O and as far as heating the tank, the bulb i have isnt really for the cresties its more or less for plant growth since all my plants are alive in the tank.
 

daggekko

New member
As far as lighting goes every bulb other than LED's will put out some sort of heat. Fluorescents are usually ok to sit on top of glass but any incandescent or halogen bulb you will not want to set on glass.

I would invest in some heat mats or flexwatt tape and a thermostat to control the tank temperature if you are going with the front vent.

Good luck!
 

rhino43grr

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CrestedRick

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Ya I saw you thread when you did yours. I was actually thinking about not framing the door since framing everything seems to limit the space for viewing. Im not sure yet though.
 

Riverside Reptiles

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I agree with the rivets. I use them a lot in my viv building. I don't attach my hinges to the plastic at all. I usually make either a litter dam or screen vent at the bottom of the cage and attach the hinge to that (with rivets). Trial and error goes a long way. As the saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention". There's probably 100 different ways to make a vert conversion and which way is best really depends on your specific needs and requirements at that particular moment. Think outside of the box and see what you come up with. You'll likely surprise yourself. Whenever I'm in a Home Depot or craft store, etc, I'm always on the lookout for new and different things to use in my viv building.
 

CrestedRick

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Thats exactly what it is going to come down to, I dont like the standard kits opening from top to bottom, I like the functionality of opening like a cabinet (left to right vice versa). So after I get back from Ireland Ill be on the hunt for supplies.
 

Riverside Reptiles

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Here's some vert conversions that I did that open from the side and don't require gluing anything to the plastic. Also, the "feet" that extend below the tank allow for the tank to kick back a few degrees for added ease of viewing. They've worked very well and didn't require much work or cost. These particular ones have screen in them, but could be modified to have plexi or glass or half and half or a million different variations. It's all about using your imagination...

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...s-felinus-others/51975-felinus-vivariums.html
 

CrestedRick

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I actually bought my cresties from Mike and Jess over at New england herp, theyre very helpful and I actually visit the store 1-2 times a month. I may see if i can make a side one from a generic top down kit like they sell at junglebox or neherp
 
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