Eye Problem

GlaedrLeoGecko

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I have had my Leo, Glaedr, for about 4 months now, and I think that he is pretty much done growing.
He just shed a couple of days ago, it went as well as always. The only stuck skin was on his toes, which I soaked off with no problem.
However, now today when I picked him up his right eye was not open.
After I had him in my hand and noticed this, it did open, but it looked wrong. His right eye was super diluted in comparison to the left and it also looked like it was sunken.
I have no idea what to do to help him with this or if this is serious. :?
Does anybody have any idea what might be going on with his right eye?
 

cricket4u

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I have had my Leo, Glaedr, for about 4 months now, and I think that he is pretty much done growing.
He just shed a couple of days ago, it went as well as always. The only stuck skin was on his toes, which I soaked off with no problem.
However, now today when I picked him up his right eye was not open.
After I had him in my hand and noticed this, it did open, but it looked wrong. His right eye was super diluted in comparison to the left and it also looked like it was sunken.
I have no idea what to do to help him with this or if this is serious. :?
Does anybody have any idea what might be going on with his right eye?

Hi,

Can you post a picture of your gecko's eye and enclosure?
 

GlaedrLeoGecko

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I have put up a picture of both his right eye, the bad one, and his good left one for comparison. It is hard to tell in the picture, but his right eyeball is sunken in. I have also included a picture of both of his eyes from the front.
 

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cricket4u

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Thank you for posting the pictures. I have to be totally honest with you, there are so many possibilities due to lack of proper husbandry provided. There's not much I can see in the picture of his eye. If it was simply due to shed, removing it would be the simple solution. Obviously it's not the case and so the best advice I can give is to have him examined by a reptile vet. You will also have to provide better living conditions for your gecko.

I do not see a humid hide?
Thermostats?
What type of lighting?
What brand of Calcium and multivitamins are you dusting with?

Read post #37 in the caresheet for required items

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-macularius-demo-video-4-jan-2013-update.html
 
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GlaedrLeoGecko

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I have tried to have humid hides in there, but he has never ever used them. I have better luck just keep him misted when he is shedding and soaking his toes if there is unshed skin on any of them.
There is obviously nothing stuck in this eye. I honestly just can't figure out what else could cause it.
I also am leery of taking him to any of the vets in this area cause I have no idea which ones would actually have any experience with geckos. I will of course take him in if it doesn't get better, I was however hoping that somebody on here would be able to tell me what it was or if they thought that it was something super serious that I should be really worried about.
 

GlaedrLeoGecko

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Also, other than the fact that the picture makes it seem really messy, what exactly do you think is wrong with my cage set up?
 

cricket4u

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I have tried to have humid hides in there, but he has never ever used them. I have better luck just keep him misted when he is shedding and soaking his toes if there is unshed skin on any of them.
There is obviously nothing stuck in this eye. I honestly just can't figure out what else could cause it.
I also am leery of taking him to any of the vets in this area cause I have no idea which ones would actually have any experience with geckos. I will of course take him in if it doesn't get better, I was however hoping that somebody on here would be able to tell me what it was or if they thought that it was something super serious that I should be really worried about.

There are too many possibilities. The way you are housing him can lead to health problems. The enclosure looks to be too small for a proper gradient. You must provide a humidity hide at all times which aids in hydration as well as shedding. Eye problems can be caused by many things such as:

Poor nutrition (Vitamin deficiency including A)
Wrong lighting
Lack of humidity

He will continue having problems if you do not make the corrections.
 
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cricket4u

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Also, other than the fact that the picture makes it seem really messy, what exactly do you think is wrong with my cage set up?

You are missing many important items. Take a look at the check list in the caresheet. What calcium and multivitamin are you dusting with?
 
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GlaedrLeoGecko

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I am currently using Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3. Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 Reptile Supplement at PETCO
I have been unable to figure out whether or not I should change the calcium to one without D3 cause everybody has different opinions on it.
I also do not use any other kind of supplement because I have been unable to figure out what the best brand/type would be since everybody uses different ones.
 

cricket4u

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I am currently using Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3. Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 Reptile Supplement at PETCO
I have been unable to figure out whether or not I should change the calcium to one without D3 cause everybody has different opinions on it.
I also do not use any other kind of supplement because I have been unable to figure out what the best brand/type would be since everybody uses different ones.

Okay so you have the calcium with D3, now you need the Reptivite without D3. You should also have plain(no phosphorus, No D3) calcium in the enclosure. There is a chance that your gecko is vitamin deficient. Make sure you are gutloading the insects and feeding variety. Silkworms would be an excellent addition along with crickets.

if by any chance that is a UVB light, I suggest you remove. It can do more harm than good in such a small area and positioned that way.
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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I have tried to have humid hides in there, but he has never ever used them. I have better luck just keep him misted when he is shedding and soaking his toes if there is unshed skin on any of them.
There is obviously nothing stuck in this eye. I honestly just can't figure out what else could cause it.
I also am leery of taking him to any of the vets in this area cause I have no idea which ones would actually have any experience with geckos. I will of course take him in if it doesn't get better, I was however hoping that somebody on here would be able to tell me what it was or if they thought that it was something super serious that I should be really worried about.

Eye problems are always potentially serious from the geck-go. A blind leo will be totally dependent upon his caregiver for life :-(.

Also, other than the fact that the picture makes it seem really messy, what exactly do you think is wrong with my cage set up?

Really best to buy a 20 gallon LONG tank which measures 30 inches long so that you'll be able to establish the proper difference between the warm and the cool ends. Petco is having a $1 per gallon sale until Jan 19th. If you like front doors...really convenient...Exo Terra has a tank that is 36 x 18 x 12.

http://www.petsolutions.com/C/Reptile-Habitats/I/Exo-Terra-Terrariums.aspx

Please post all your questions regarding your leo and his setup right on this thread. Doing so will provide you with the best advice and prevent us from repeating husbandry suggestions on multiple threads.

The Leo Guidelines are a huge resource for you and for your leo. They are almost one-stop shopping. Have you checked them out?
 
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GlaedrLeoGecko

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So, about a week after I made my first post on this forum, I discovered that there was some sort of crud in my Leo's eyes. I was able to successfully get it all out and he was fine.
I also was finally able to make a humid hide that my gecko actually goes into now. :)
I now have another problem though. My gecko has always had a hard time shedding the skin on his toes, I have never had problems getting them cleaned off. But, I was on vacation for 3 weeks and my mom took care of my Leo, Glaedr, was I was gone and he shed during that time. Since my mother is scared to touch him, he had old skin still on his toes when I got back. I got it cleaned off and he shed again a few days later, and I have just cleaned off his toes again. However, now there is a problem. The tips of some Glaedr's toes are dark purple and bruised looking, and a few bled slightly when I cleaned them. Every time he sheds, it gets worse, and I feel like I am a horrible pet parent even though I am doing everything right.
My question is how to get his toes better. Is there something that I can do so that his skin will shed off of him better naturally? Also, is there anything that I can safely put on his toes so that they will heal??
 

Embrace Calamity

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So, about a week after I made my first post on this forum, I discovered that there was some sort of crud in my Leo's eyes. I was able to successfully get it all out and he was fine.
I also was finally able to make a humid hide that my gecko actually goes into now. :)
I now have another problem though. My gecko has always had a hard time shedding the skin on his toes, I have never had problems getting them cleaned off. But, I was on vacation for 3 weeks and my mom took care of my Leo, Glaedr, was I was gone and he shed during that time. Since my mother is scared to touch him, he had old skin still on his toes when I got back. I got it cleaned off and he shed again a few days later, and I have just cleaned off his toes again. However, now there is a problem. The tips of some Glaedr's toes are dark purple and bruised looking, and a few bled slightly when I cleaned them. Every time he sheds, it gets worse, and I feel like I am a horrible pet parent even though I am doing everything right.
My question is how to get his toes better. Is there something that I can do so that his skin will shed off of him better naturally? Also, is there anything that I can safely put on his toes so that they will heal??
It sounds to me like too much circulation was cut off, hence the "bruised" look. Don't be surprised if your gecko loses its toes. You can try applying non-pain relieving Neosporin, I believe. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of that.)

Did you take the advice regarding supplementation? Also, since there are obviously things that need to change (but it'll be easier if we hit them all at once), fill this out:

Gender:
Age:
Weight:
How big was the reptile when you first acquired it?
Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner):
Captive bred or wild caught?
Do you handle him? If so how often?

Enclosure:

Cage: type, size:
Substrate provided?
What types of hiding places are provided?
Is there a humidity hide? location?
Please describe any other furnishings:

Lighting:

Artificial lighting?
incandescent (“screw-in” bulbs): wattage(s) ?
fluorescent (tube bulbs)?

Temperature:

Do you have a thermometer(s) in the cage? what type?
What is the temperature in the warm part of the cage? under the warm hide? In the coolest part?
What device(s) are used to maintain the temperature? hot rock, UTH, heat light, ceramic heater, other:
Are you using a thermostat?
Which hide does she/he spend most of her time?

Is the temperature decreased at night? by how much?

Humidity:

Is the humidity measured? Range:


List other animals that are kept in the same cage:
Recent acquisitions (new pets within the past 6 months)
Are any of your other pets ill?
List recent changes in the environment, if any:

Diet:

Insects, list type?
Are they “gut loaded”? If so with?
How often do you feed your reptile?
Please list any supplements used. How are they given and how often?
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both?
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without?
Multivitamins?

Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet:

If your reptile is sick, please describe the signs and how long your reptile has been showing these signs:
Is your reptile’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased?
Is your reptile’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased?
Have you noticed any of the following?
Weight loss, Weight gain
Discharge from the eyes or nose
Increased breathing rate or effort
Change in the droppings
urates white or yellowish
Abnormal skin color or shedding
Parasites on the skin or in the feces
Weakness

~Maggot
 

GlaedrLeoGecko

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Gender: I think that Gleadr is a girl.
Age: No idea. I got Gleadr this past September from Petco. I didn’t bother asking age at that time since they didn’t seem very knowledgeable about reptiles, I think that Glaedr was probably between 1 and 2 months old at that time, there she would be about 6 or 7 months old now.
Weight: 35 grams.
Length, including tail: About 17 Cm.
How big was the reptile when you first acquired it? Probably 3 or 4 inches long.
Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner): Petco.
Captive bred or wild caught? Captive bred.
Do you handle him? If so how often? Yes. A couple times a week or so.

Enclosure:
Cage: type, size: Aquarium-type-glass, ten gallon size. I know that a lot of people on here say to use a bigger cage, but I have never had a problem keeping a temp gradient. Also, my gecko has a hard time hunting, so I worry about him not being able to find and catch crickets in a larger cage.
Substrate provided? Reptile carpet.
What types of hiding places are provided? A tiered hide on the cool side and a moist hide on the warm side.
Is there a humidity hide? location? On the warm side of the cage, right over the heat mat.
Please describe any other furnishings: Mealworm bowl, water bowl, and a small cap of calcium.

Lighting:
Artificial lighting? Yes.
incandescent (“screw-in” bulbs): wattage(s) ? A 25 watt red bulb.
fluorescent (tube bulbs)? Nope.

Temperature:
Do you have a thermometer(s) in the cage? what type? Yes. A cheap strip one on the side and a dial thermometer that can be moved around.
What is the temperature in the warm part of the cage? 82 typically. Under the warm hide? 96. In the coolest part? 72 typically.
What device(s) are used to maintain the temperature? hot rock, UTH, heat light, ceramic heater, other: Undertank heater. Red heat lamp.
Are you using a thermostat? No.
Which hide does she/he spend most of her time? Moist hide.
Is the temperature decreased at night? by how much? Slightly. A few degrees due to the house naturally cooling off.

Humidity:
Is the humidity measured? Range: No.

List other animals that are kept in the same cage: None.
Recent acquisitions (new pets within the past 6 months)
Are any of your other pets ill?None.
List recent changes in the environment, if any: I cleaned it on 2-15-13 and I put down paper towels for substrate while I waited for the carpet to dry. I also added the moist hide on 1-12-13.

Diet:
Insects, list type? Crickets, mealworms, and the rare waxworm.
Are they “gut loaded”? If so with? Yes. Fluker’s cricket food products.
How often do you feed your reptile? Every day or so, I feed him as many mealworms as he is interested in, about 5 or 6 usually. About 3 times a week, I try feeding him crickets, the try is because he is a bad hunter, so I often have to take them back out about 3 or 4 hours later.
Please list any supplements used. How are they given and how often? Rep-Cal Herptivite, I dust it lightly on the mealworms mixed with calcium.
What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both? Rep-Cal Calcium with D3. I meant to get some without D3, but the one that I grabbed at Petco ended up still having D3, however, I will be getting some without D3 soon.
Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without? With, although Glaedr does not seem to eat it.
Multivitamins? Just the Rep-Cal Herptivite.
Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet: None.

If your reptile is sick, please describe the signs and how long your reptile has been showing these signs: Gleadr has been having greater difficulty shedding each time that he sheds.
Is your reptile’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased? Normal. Gleadr never was super energetic.
Is your reptile’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased? Normal.
Have you noticed any of the following?
Weight loss, Weight gain: Nope.
Discharge from the eyes or nose: Nope.
Increased breathing rate or effort: Nope.
Change in the droppings: Nope.
urates white or yellowish: Nope.
Abnormal skin color or shedding: Just the hard time shedding on his toes.
Parasites on the skin or in the feces: Nope.
Weakness: Gleadr got really worn out when I cleaned his toes off, but it was probably just from it being stressful and painful for him.
 

Embrace Calamity

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1) You need three hides, not two. You need a cool dry hide, a warm/medium humid hide, and a dry warm hide. Your gecko needs to be able to stay warm and dry if it needs to. Having to choose between humid/warm and dry/cold isn't very good for it.

3) You can't go by the temps you're getting, since your thermometers are no good. You need digital to get any decent kind of reading. Then you can know what your actual temps are.

3) Ger rid of the red light. This a totally unnatural color for them to see and will only distrupt him, especially if used at night. If you need the extra heat, get a ceramic heat emitter.

4) The Herptivite contains only beta carotene, no vitamin A/retinol. There is evidence to suggest that leopard geckos are incapable of transforming beta carotene into vitamin A, which results in a vitamin deficiency (and thus shed problems as well as lethargy and eye problems). You'll need to find something that contains vitamin A/retinol, not just beta carotene.

Updated pics of your setup would be helpful as well.

~Maggot
 

GlaedrLeoGecko

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Ok, about the light: everything that I read said to use a red light for geckos since it was not harsh on their eyes. I have to have a light in there to keep the temp correct. I have never even heard of a ceramic heat emitter, what is it?
 

Embrace Calamity

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Ok, about the light: everything that I read said to use a red light for geckos since it was not harsh on their eyes. I have to have a light in there to keep the temp correct. I have never even heard of a ceramic heat emitter, what is it?
Corwin got to it first. :) Also: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...se-colored-lights-your-geckos-cage-night.html

People used to believe that geckos couldn't see red light. We now know that not only can they see it, their nighttime vision is 350x better than ours.

~Maggot
 

cricket4u

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Hi,

Do you gecko and yourself a favor, move him to at least a 20long. Problems will eventually occur and you will end up here like all the rest who have 10 gallons with problems, especially in the summer.

82 typically. Under the warm hide? 96. In the coolest part? 72 typically.

You also need to provide warm air temps of 75 cool side- 85 warm side

Repcal has a very high amount of D3, so it will be best to switch to Reptivite with d3 since you need the multivitamins anyway.

Mealworms have too much fat and don't gutload well (fed them only as part of variety). Offer crickets and other insects instead.

Your heating devices must be connected to a thermostat in order to prevent overheating and fires.
 
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