Where to find Diplodactylus Galeatus

Nocturnalnature

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Over the past few months I have developed a burning desire to obtain a few pairs of these remarkable little geckos, but I can't seem to find anyone who has them available here in the states.
A Google search returns older ads from a few years ago, and it seems that even the well known gecko breeders no longer work with them. From what I have read they are relatively easy to maintain, as well as breed, which has me scratching my head at the lack of availability.
If anybody works with these little guys, or has a promising lead, please let me know.
 

mikew1234

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Diplodactylus as a whole are not common geckos. Many people do not work with them because they are a small species, have a very short breeding period (3-5 years or seasons) and there is a VERY SMALL gene pool, making less hardy geckos as time goes on. D. Galeatus is the most sought after, and most worked with, but are still very difficult to find. You can try the classifieds section here, or other classifieds sites, but it will absolutely be hit or miss here in the USA. They are much more popular in Europe and Japan than the USA.
 

Nocturnalnature

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Thanks for the reply.
I am surprised more people from this forum haven't replied since it seems we have many members who work with unusual or uncommon species in general.
My hopes were to obtain a small group of galeatus to work with, but I may have to go with plan B and jump on the Oedura bandwagon since they have been making an appearance on several websites recently.
 

mikew1234

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I keep both Diplodactlyus and Oedura. Their care is like night and day. I keep my diplodactylus in a rack system at the time, but have recently began building a new rack system which I hope will allow for good viewing, as well as cleaning etc. My oedura are kept in pairs and trios in modified 10 gallon enclosures. I will post a few pics of my animals at the bottom of this post to help you with your decision.

DIPLODACTYLUS PULCHER

OEDURA MONILIS (line 1)

OEDURA MONILIS(line 2)

OEDURA CASTELNAUI (I received her with the wavy tail, but it does not affect her in any way)

STROPHURUS WILLIAMSI
 

Nocturnalnature

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Awesome photos!
Once again I appreciate the input. I am fully aware of the husbandry differences between the two, although I can see where that might be questioned, jumping from one extreme to the other. I am simply wanting to branch out from my current Nephrurus, but want to stay with animals from the same continent.
I've also considered adding a few Egernia since I have had good luck with them in the past, but they just aren't as amusing or interesting as the geckos.
I swear I made a mistake when I got my first pair of Knobbies. They are as addictive as crack, and I have all but loaned out or sold most of my other projects to concentrate solely on them.
 

SamNabz

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Diplodactylus and Lucasium sp. are pretty hard to track down here in Australia, so I can only imagine what their availability is like overseas.

Whilst they are (for the most part) relatively easy to keep & breed, not many keepers have great success with them. I've contacted many previous keepers of these geckos over the years and a majority of the responses I received was usually that the stock was now dead and that they were never able to successfully breed them.

I know there are a few keepers in Europe who keep/breed various species of both genera with great success, including species not yet available to us here. Might be worth contacting some of them if you are able to export to the US.

Good luck.
 
Diplodactylus and Lucasium sp. are pretty hard to track down here in Australia, so I can only imagine what their availability is like overseas.

Whilst they are (for the most part) relatively easy to keep & breed, not many keepers have great success with them. I've contacted many previous keepers of these geckos over the years and a majority of the responses I received was usually that the stock was now dead and that they were never able to successfully breed them.

I know there are a few keepers in Europe who keep/breed various species of both genera with great success, including species not yet available to us here. Might be worth contacting some of them if you are able to export to the US.

Good luck.
Yeah but more than half the stuff over there isn't what people think it is. 90% of the D.graniarensis are actually D.furcosus, and the D.granariensis rex are actually D.g. granariensis. It's kinda hilarious.

That's got to be the worst coloured O.castelnaui I've seen, wild type below. :p



Oedura castelnaui by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Over the past few months I have developed a burning desire to obtain a few pairs of these remarkable little geckos, but I can't seem to find anyone who has them available here in the states.
A Google search returns older ads from a few years ago, and it seems that even the well known gecko breeders no longer work with them. From what I have read they are relatively easy to maintain, as well as breed, which has me scratching my head at the lack of availability.
If anybody works with these little guys, or has a promising lead, please let me know.

Have you tried John Heiser on Long Island? He goes by Heiser on GU. Could PM him?
 

SamNabz

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Yeah but more than half the stuff over there isn't what people think it is. 90% of the D.graniarensis are actually D.furcosus, and the D.granariensis rex are actually D.g. granariensis. It's kinda hilarious.

Very true, Steve.

That's got to be the worst coloured O.castelnaui I've seen, wild type below. :p


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A few of my O. castelnaui sometimes have that same dark colouration as shown by mikew1234 (above) during the day, and they are much lighter than that wild specimen in your pic.
 

mikew1234

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Are you making fun of my Castelnaui? Mine are German type. Lol. It's not their fault they aren't as nice as the wild ones. How about you guys send some new ones to us from down there? And I think my monilis make up for the Castelnaui's lack of color.
 
Are you making fun of my Castelnaui? Mine are German type. Lol. It's not their fault they aren't as nice as the wild ones. How about you guys send some new ones to us from down there? And I think my monilis make up for the Castelnaui's lack of color.

Ironic considering monilis wt are less colourful than castel wt. :p And yes, you have so much stuff better than us I mayaswell rub in what we do. ;)

Wild saxicoline territory O. cf marmorata are probably the most colourful Oedura I've seen in the wild here.
Do you have marms of this form over there?

Oedura marmorata by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr
 

mikew1234

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I wouldn't know. I've only seen Coggeri, Castelnaui, Monilis and Robousta in person. The Marms I have seen in pictures are more oscillated than that, more, but smaller spotting, and much more dull yellow. Got any wild Galeatus or Pulcher pictures? My male D. Pulcher is pictured above, and is very bright. The female is very drab, being tan and gray. I'm curious to see what the normal look is for them. And I can imagine that a Galeatus wild type must be crazy.
 

mikew1234

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I really need to get the money together to go to Australia. The male, as you can see is a salmon color, closer to the top picture. My female is blotched, and exactly like the bottom in coloration. And that Murchison form one is awesome looking. Are all of these in your collection? Or field pics?
 

SHzac

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Hi,
I agree, there are a lot of "D.gran.gran." in Europe wich are probably a different species. So D. furcosus... how do you know exactly? Photo diagnostics? Is there a way to see/prove that?
Would be happy to know!
cheers
Sacha
 

sciteacher

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I've got a virgin trio of D. galeatus that I put together late last summer. I wasn't too surprised that I didn't get any eggs that late in the season. I am a little surprised that they haven't started producing for me this year. The females look quite heavy and I keep expecting them to start laying any time, but nothing yet. My fingers are crossed, and I hope I can report some success in the near future.

I agree that they almost seem to have disappeared from the hobby. A few years ago they were quite easy to find, although a bit pricey. You just don't see them offered much the last couple of years. Hopefully there are still a few people out there like me who have them, so that some genetic diversity can be maintained. Mine came from John Zabroski (Elusive Exotics), but I don't know if he works with them anymore or not.
 
Hi,
I agree, there are a lot of "D.gran.gran." in Europe wich are probably a different species. So D. furcosus... how do you know exactly? Photo diagnostics? Is there a way to see/prove that?
Would be happy to know!
cheers
Sacha

This paper gives the diagnostic characteristics, http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2009/f/zt02167p046.pdf. However it is unfortunate that most characteristics are slightly subjective, hard to tell in photos and really require you to have seen the species, based on distribution ID (and some variation within them) before you can really ID them through morphology alone.

Here's a quick run down in general.
D.granariensis: Plain pattern, possibly some white lateral spots that are not dark edged (or only partially dark edged), D.g.rex with a dark mid-lateral line. Bifurcation of the nape can occur but usually not strongly. Z
Wild D.g.granariensis

Diplodactylus granariensis by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr
Wild D.g.rex

Diplodactylus granariensis by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr
Diplodactylus ornatus was split much further back and isn't in that paper, however in my experience is probably one of the easiest to confuse in the wild. The vertebral line of these guys has less dark edging than grans, is straighter bur with more 'lumps' where it juts out, and always has white splotching around the mid-lateral region, often quite messy and not faded.

Diplodactylus ornatus by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr

Diplodactylus furcosus: these are quite yellow in colour compared to other Diplos (going to red even), while this is by no means diagnostic it's a good indicator. They have very strong bifurcation at the nape, the lateral pattern can be indistinct - marginally distinct with dark edging to spots. A strong candidate for many of your overseas "D.granariensis"

Diplodactylus furcosus by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr

Diplodactylus calcicolus: Vertebral often broken and strongly wavy, lots of lateral pattern with strongly dark edged spots and colour flecking of different scales. I don't have wild pics of this but there's one in the paper and these are almost definitely some.
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-diplodactylus-granariensis-granariensis.html

Diplodactylus wiru is almost definitely not in captivity, I'll go get some pics of them in November to rub in your faces. :p

Diplodactylus vittatus: Very plain, no head bifurcation, most easily mistaken for D.wiru not any of the other species.
Eastern D.vittatus

Diplodactylus vittatus by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr

Western D.vittatus

Diplodactylus vittatus by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr

I don't think anyone has trouble identifying D.polyophthalmus? but it is definitely in that stone gecko group, a sister species to the granariensis clade.
D.polyophthalmus

Diplodactylus polyophthalmus by Stephen Mahony, on Flickr

Now this does not mean by any measure IDs of captive animals (in Australia or otherwise) can always be made with any confidence. There's some pictures on here that blow me away, I just don't know what they are, and pictures of stuff that's very clearly one thing but looks nothing like it should.

E.g.
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...is-phyllurus-oedura/68436-some-my-diplos.html
The first D.galeatus WOW! what the hell that is not what a galeatus looks like, but it's clearly not anything else.

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-phyllurus-oedura/54515-d-g-granariensis.html
Some more probably calcicolus definitely not granariensis

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...phyllurus-oedura/41589-our-diplodactylus.html
The Diplos here listed as D.g.rex are really D.granariensis granariensis......

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...edura/30173-diplodactylus-g-granariensis.html
Not entirely sure what these are, but probably calci.


It's odd before writing this reply I honestly thought most of the stuff I saw Mis-ID'd was furcosus but now I can't find any of that, just a lot of Mis-ID'd calcicolus.


Anyway hope this helps, I'll re-post pics in here of D.wiru and D.calcicolus when I get them later in the year, if I remember.
 
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SHzac

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Thank's for your informations :)

Thank you very mutch for this informative post. If most of the "D.gran.gran." would be D.furcosus it would be easy to prove that by their karyotype. Because I saw that they should have n=36 while the other species are n=38. Does anybody know other molecular markers?
I have Diplodactylus sp. (see picture below) and want to know what it is. photo diagnostics seems to be not the best way, because the whole taxon is very variable depending their patterns. What do you think I have there and why ( ;) ).
It is very good, that the discussion is getting started, but before the guessing wave, I would like to have some evidence ;)
It's nice to have some people with species knowledge here.
Ok. so here are some pictures of my Diplodactylus sp.

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Cheers
Sacha
 
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