Spyro puked up white foam!

[MushuSpyro]

Basically, my leo Cynder was PTS last week, and ever since Spyro's been acting strange (they were kept in seperate tanks).

Spyro's been sleeping more, but still active. She's been eating well, drinking water etc.
She has been hiding a bit more than usual, but I just thought she was tired from where she's been active during the day (she's only really active at night).

So I've been keeping an eye on her, she hasn't poo'd, but produced urates, they were orange/yellow... I read up on it, and it seems urate goes orange when severely dehydrated? She drinks a lot of water, and I bathe her a couple of times a week.
she's kept on newspaper, so I don't think it's impaction, and I never give her food bigger than the space between her eyes.

Today she shed, she ate her skin as always. but about 5 mins ago she was opening her mouth wide constantly, and then this stuff shot out.

On closer inspection it looks like her skin (I dissected it a little bit)..
I'm thinking parasites?
Will be getting her to the vets monday if she doesn't get any better.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Basically, my leo Cynder was PTS last week, and ever since Spyro's been acting strange (they were kept in seperate tanks).

Spyro's been sleeping more, but still active. She's been eating well, drinking water etc.
She has been hiding a bit more than usual, but I just thought she was tired from where she's been active during the day (she's only really active at night).

So I've been keeping an eye on her, she hasn't poo'd, but produced urates, they were orange/yellow... I read up on it, and it seems urate goes orange when severely dehydrated? She drinks a lot of water, and I bathe her a couple of times a week.
she's kept on newspaper, so I don't think it's impaction, and I never give her food bigger than the space between her eyes.

Today she shed, she ate her skin as always. but about 5 mins ago she was opening her mouth wide constantly, and then this stuff shot out.

On closer inspection it looks like her skin (I dissected it a little bit)..
I'm thinking parasites?
Will be getting her to the vets monday if she doesn't get any better.

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How are you managing the vitamins and calcium? Brands? Frequency? Using T-Rex Calcium Plus Food for Crickets?

How long have Spyro's urates been anything but white?

Have you a hygrometer to give us some humidity readings here and there in her tank?

 

[MushuSpyro]

I use exo terra calcium powder, and multi vitamin powder (with D3)
I don't use crickets anymore because Spyro couldn't catch them and eventually didn't want to eat them anymore. I give her Mealworms and Dubia roaches, I was contemplating giving her small locust but I'm not sure.

I dust the insect with calci dust 3-4 times a week (I also leave a small dish of some), and I dust 1-2 times a week with vits.

Her urates have always been white, but only changed to yellow about 4 days ago. She has had one poop over the course of 4 days and it appeared healthy.

I don't have a hygrometer, but I'll get one.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I use exo terra calcium powder, and multi vitamin powder (with D3)
I don't use crickets anymore because Spyro couldn't catch them and eventually didn't want to eat them anymore. I give her Mealworms and Dubia roaches, I was contemplating giving her small locust but I'm not sure.

I dust the insect with calci dust 3-4 times a week (I also leave a small dish of some), and I dust 1-2 times a week with vits.

Her urates have always been white, but only changed to yellow about 4 days ago. She has had one poop over the course of 4 days and it appeared healthy.

I don't have a hygrometer, but I'll get one.

Small locusts will be good. Has it been awhile since you tried the crickets? Maybe Spyro's hunting skills have matured?

Does your Exo-Terra calcium powder have D3? Is it phosphorus-free? Also Exo-Terra vitamin powder? Does the multivitamin have vitamin A acetate as well as D3?

Seems like you might be overdoing the dusting???

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...-feeding-issues/68574-cricket-guidelines.html

 

[MushuSpyro]

I have calcium with D3, and calcium without. I only leave pure calcium in the viv.
I'll read the contents in the morning of the supplements and post about them.

I had tried the crickets about a month ago, no improvement (it's suspected she shows symptoms of Enigma syndrome) but am considering trying them again if she doesn't take to the hoppers.

I suppose I have been over dusting lately, since Cynder's passing I've been trying to do everything perfect.

I'm going to give it a day or 2, and if there's still no poop or improvement I'll take Spyro to the vets

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I have calcium with D3, and calcium without. I only leave pure calcium in the viv.
I'll read the contents in the morning of the supplements and post about them.

I had tried the crickets about a month ago, no improvement (it's suspected she shows symptoms of Enigma syndrome) but am considering trying them again if she doesn't take to the hoppers.

I suppose I have been over dusting lately, since Cynder's passing I've been trying to do everything perfect.

I'm going to give it a day or 2, and if there's still no poop or improvement I'll take Spyro to the vets

Reason I ask about the brand is that they are all different.

On the 10 June 2013 I asked my vet about marketed supplements. He said if feeding the crickets a less-than-ideal diet, then it would be OK to use "a little tiny pinch 1x per week" of Zoo Med's Reptivite with vitamin D3/A acetate or the similar Reptocal formula.

My vet prefers to use good food to feed the crickets 24/7 and then 48 hours prior to feeding off the bugs to the geckos feed them T-Rex: Calcium Plus Food for Crickets with water only for moisture. That is the ONLY proven gutload for crickets.

 

[MushuSpyro]

I'll give that a go then,I'll also get some crix today and see if she's interested. thank you

 

[MushuSpyro]

This is what I use atm

 

[MushuSpyro]

She finally poo'd last night, she seems to be better now

 

[MushuSpyro]

She's not poo'ing again.
However I found something quite alarming :/
I don't know how to explain it, but I think she tried to do a poo, and on the newspaper there's a brown stain, but no poo? Urate is there, half white and half orange/yellow.

Impaction or parasites? She hasn't lost any weight, but I haven't given her food for the last 2 days because I thought if it was impaction it could make it worse?

The vets are fully booked for a week -.- So am going to have to find another vet

 

[MushuSpyro]

I've been making sure she's drinking water too

 

[MushuSpyro]

Update:

Friday is the quickest vets app' I could get.

Spyro's poo hasn't improved.
She ate tonight, about 5 mealworms, and chucked them back up. Not sure if she ate too many too soon, or if it's because of whatever is causing her to be like this..

Taking her for a fecal too.

If anyone can give me any advice on what to do in the meantime, or have any idea what this could be, please let me know.

 

[cricket4u]

Basically, my leo Cynder was PTS last week, and ever since Spyro's been acting strange (they were kept in seperate tanks).

Spyro's been sleeping more, but still active. She's been eating well, drinking water etc.
She has been hiding a bit more than usual, but I just thought she was tired from where she's been active during the day (she's only really active at night).

So I've been keeping an eye on her, she hasn't poo'd, but produced urates, they were orange/yellow... I read up on it, and it seems urate goes orange when severely dehydrated? She drinks a lot of water, and I bathe her a couple of times a week.
she's kept on newspaper, so I don't think it's impaction, and I never give her food bigger than the space between her eyes.

Today she shed, she ate her skin as always. but about 5 mins ago she was opening her mouth wide constantly, and then this stuff shot out.

On closer inspection it looks like her skin (I dissected it a little bit)..
I'm thinking parasites?
Will be getting her to the vets monday if she doesn't get any better.

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What you have presented in the picture is not shed nor food. Do you use paper towel in the moist hide? This is a growing problem with paper towels as substrate. Newspaper can also lose the ink while inside of the stomach and come out white.

Some have accidentally swallowed pieces of paper towel while eating insects, others while eating their shed in the humidity hide. Sometimes the paper towel stays stuck in the GI like a sponge and they can develop a bacterial infection secondary.

You have to make sure your temps are correct and heating equipment is on a thermostat so that she can pass every piece. Can you post a picture of the enclosure? Also a picture of her next bowel movement?

It would be best to take him to a vet to make sure all is clear and an infection has not developed.

 

[MushuSpyro]

I'm pretty sure it is shed, I watched her shed and eat it in a different hide; she didn't shed in her humid hide. When I disected it (cam quality is rubbish) it appeared to have the shape of her skin. Although I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it is her skin. She does have paper towel in her humid hide though, which granted I should have got her moss.

I've made sure all temps are correct, even brought a new digital therm', the one with two probes labelled in and out.



The quality really isn't great as using webcam because my cam is still in for repair.
Her viv may look empty, because I took out a couple of things to make her a bit more comfortable because she kept walking into them .

 

[MushuSpyro]

I'm taking all the poop she's done, and the thrown up skin/paper, along with anything else she produces before the vet trip.

She didn't poo last night, so these are the ones she has done the latest.

 

[MushuSpyro]

Spyro has vets Friday, so hopefully that quick enough to get this sorted

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Have you seen this:

#2---Fecal Sample Collection Procedure
Just phoned my exotics vet for his recommendation:

1. Place a piece of plastic where your leo usually poops. If your gecko poops somewhere else, take the poop to the vet anyway. Some poop is better than no poop! (Thanks to TheOneBlueGecko - 25 July 2011)

2. As soon as your gecko has passed some poop and urates, but without physically touching the sample, place the feces and urates directly onto a clean plastic bottle cap. (Vet has fecal sample containers if you can stop by first.)

3. Then place the bottle cap with fecal sample directly into a plastic ziploc bag. (Do NOT use paper towels or newspaper because those will absorb some of the feces necessary for a proper culture.)

4. Refrigerate this sample...unless you are taking the sample to your vet immediately. Do NOT freeze it.

5. Take this fecal sample to your vet within 24 hours of collecting...the sooner the better!


[There are two types of fecals: fecal float and direct smear tests. For geckos, ask the vet whether both tests should be run.]

 

[cricket4u]

Unless 4 months worth of shed have been sitting in her gut, there's no way that huge amount is all shed. The shed by itself appears as cream colored. She definitely needs a vet visit. The picture of the enclosure is too dark. You do provide under tank heating correct?

 

[cricket4u]

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This is what I use atm

I'm a bit confused. None of these 3 products contain d3, unless you use UVB? Exo- terra makes strange products. The second one has calcium and a few other nutrients(that should be in the multivitamin), but no d3. The 3rd product is a multivitamin which uses beta carotene instead of Vitamin A acetate. I suggest that you switch to a brand that actually make sense. Is Zoo Med available where you live?

The first one is pure calcium.

Exo Terra : Multi Vitamin / Multi Vitamin Powder Supplement

Exo Terra Reptile Calcium - 3.2 oz. | thatpetplace.com

You may want to fill out the HQ just to make sure everything is covered.

 

[MushuSpyro]

True, it was a bit much, but I think there was a tiny amount though, I may be wrong.
Yes I do provide an UTH, always have.
I placed the viv away from the window because it was advised to me to keep her more in dark because of her Enigma traits? she's been a lot calmer since anyway.
and I'll get zoo med right away, i think i got confused with the labels of the ones I use now
I managed to get a vet appointment tomorrow at a different vet, they're better as well.
They want to keep her in over night though? Is this usual procedure?