Eggs and group breeding questions

nikic613

New member
HI there again guys!!!

So for my first question, I used to breed birds (quails specifically) in which you could hold off on incubating them for several days until you collected enough to incubate them all at one time. I ASSUME this isn't possible for leo eggs BUT I thought it was worth it to ask. It doesn't really matter either way, just genuinely curious. I assume they would probably dehydrate if left to wait, but lets say you left them for a couple of days for other females to lay their eggs and incubate all at once, is it possible or do they pretty much need to be immediately put into the inc?

My other question is about this group breeding thing....I know if they don't get along it is not a good idea and I also know that if doing a group thing it needs to be MORE than one female per male and up to I think i read 5. I am going to have three total females to my one male to start off with.

One more question while I'm at it, since you can pretty much CHOOSE males or females, how do YOU breeders decide what you want male or female wise? Just off of your breeding goals and what you would ideally prefer? I ask because I see many breeders having an over stock of males available for sale....just curious if theres a reason for this, or if it's just easier to get males? I personally would like at least in the beginning to get a mixture of males/females, not really concerned about more of one or the other. I have seen a mixture of different recommendations on temperatures in the inc...to get an even number, what is the ROCK SOLID temp in your personal opinions?

One more too! Other than making my own homemade incubator, what incubator do you guys recommend to purchase (like what do you swear by)? I've had "little giant" incubators, a "hovabator" and even a gigantic sears roebuck redwood cabinet incubator at one time (for birds of course)...I want a PROFESSIONAL incubator preferably one specifically for reptiles (temperature settings) but if you guys say swear by a hovabator or something I guess I'll consider it. I've just seen these nice cabinet incubators professional breeders have used but I can't see anywhere where they actually mention the brand. Of course I can look online myself but I would rather hear from "tried and true" breeders here before I do my research on that part of this endeavor.

I absolutely have enough cages and heating and everything else needed if they have to be separated but for sake of asking, lets say they all get along well. Does anyone else here group breed and IF so, (and I realize this is probably a really stupid question) but is there any really valid way of KNOWING whos eggs are whos aside from only finding two eggs and only seeing one female with an empty belly who before was with two eggs? Again, I feel like this is a stupid question but I was just curious if anyone had any tips or tricks.

I would be FULLY willing to remove the females once I saw them breed to their own cages in order to guarantee which egg(s) comes from which females IF that's the only way...again just curious.

I also see on a lot of these breeding question posts that lots of genuinely caring breeders and leo owners warn about the amount of babies that will be had and all of that. For me, that IS the point, I am well aware just how many I could potentially have, I want as many as possible to grow up and know without a doubt which ones I want to keep morph wise etc. I have a SHTCB (1 male and 2 females *One female will be here next week sometime*) and I am also getting a "dark project" female that I am pretty excited about that I know will take years of selective breeding to even get something I'm excited about. So no worries there, I want a room full of babies to work with selling them is far from my mind right now...and breeding season isn't even here yet. :)

Thank you so much for your time guys! I appreciate it!
 

acpart

Well-known member
Eggs in incubator: If you have a lay box that has moist coco fiber and it's on the hot side, you could probably hold off for a few days on putting the eggs in the incubator, which is what happens if I go away for a weekend during the summer. It's not a problem to just put them in the incubator when they're laid, though.

Breeding groups: I keep my geckos in 1.2 groups (1 male 2 females) for the season and separate them once I've sold enough babies to free up cages. With few exceptions, there haven't been any problems. If there is a problem, the problem gecko gets separated. I did have some situations where there was a male and a single female together since the second female wasn't old/big enough yet. That worked out fine too. Next season I'm thinking of breeding 4 females instead of 8, so it will probably be 1.1. It works for me, but other people prefer not to do it this way.

Breeding combinations: I decide before the new season what I want to create given the resources I have (I have 4 males and don't plan on getting new males). I wrote an article about this years ago for Gecko Time:
http://www.geckotime.com/breeding-leopard-geckos-on-a-small-scale/
and a sequel a few years later:
http://www.geckotime.com/breeding-on-a-small-scale-revisited/

Incubation temps: I generally incubate around 82-83 for females and I would say nearly all of them are female (this season so far, all female). Last season I went up to 84-85 and got some males. I found it very stressful trying to figure out which ones were male. Theoretically 84-86 results in about 50/50.

Whose Egg? Most of the time the 2 females would lay at different times, but I do have a photo of 4 eggs in the lay box labelled "uh oh". Only once was I not entirely sure which female the eggs came from.

Incubators: I could say a lot, but I'm too tired to go into detail. The hovobator will work fine as long as you buy a proportional thermostat to augment it (I think the zoomed is essentially a hobovator with a proportional thermostat which is why it's more expensive) and the ambient temp doesn't exceed the incubation temp (since this incubator doesn't cool). I'm currently using Reptipro5000 (there's now a reptipro6000) which is generally OK but has a few glitches when the ambient temp goes up or down a lot.

Aliza
 
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