Which Insects?

I am hoping to start a couple small breeding colonies of easy to keep insects, problem is they can't be loud, smelly or take up much room.

I will be going to a reptile show soon and would like to pick up some insects to start the colonies there. Problem is I need to know what to look for.

No roaches please. and I have easy access to Mealies and crickets so no real need to breed those.
 

acpart

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Superworms may make sense. There's an article in Gecko Time about how to do it. Some people also do silkworms which the geckos seem to love.

Aliza
 
If you can't do all of thoughs then I recommend feeding Phoenix worms and silkworms. But dubia roaches are a great feeder and they don't smell, climb, or bite and with enough heat and roaches they will breed like mad. I don't know how to breed silkies but Phoenix worms are easy. When they start to pupates put them in a jar with some kitchen scraps and when they are done keep a little heat(83-85)and one female fly will make 300-600 baby's with a 96% hatch rate. By two weeks you will have enough to make some money on.
 
I know dubia roaches are great feeders but boyfriend is against roaches and we have to compromise :) I will poke around and see what they have at the show. At the very least I will buy some feeders to try
 

Cymmie

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Silkworms are easy to rear and feed. Though they only eat mulberry trees or special chow made for them. I have started growing a mulberry tree just for my silks. Though I am still largely reliant on chow especially during the cold seasons when the mulberries lose their leaves. The moths do not eat and the eggs hatch best when there is some warmth on them, either an incubator or a heat lamp next to their container will work. (I can give a more detailed explanation on how to rear silkworms if you pm me, just about to go to bed)

I do recommend doing phoenix worms/black soldier fly larvae, they are an extremely healthy feeder... in fact I should probably start breeding them. lol

ummm other feeders....

Hornworms take up a lot of time and effort so those I usually only do for those times that I get an overabundance of really large worms.

I don't know if geckos eat them, because I breed them purely for my chameleon, but there is also stick insects? Indians are the best because they have no defense such as spikes.

You can try catching some grasshoppers and rearing those too. It's the perfect time to go hunting for them, and they are fairly easy to raise, though they only lay at certain times in the year. They eat sprouted wheat grass which I buy the seeds and grow myself. They lay their eggs in moist sand.
 

LEOPARD1

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I am biased. I feel the perfect all around staple are Dubia Roaches. I also know and it is widely accepted that they pro-create easily, do not make noise, do not smell, and overall are a joy to breed and cannot climb smooth surfaces or outright "Fly". I will never use Crickets as feeders again (they stink, die off fast, are loud) and I will never breed Mealworms again. I will feed my Leopard Geckos Mealworms as a Substitute for WaxWorms they are fatty but not too fatty and put weight on Leopard Geckos.

If you can get the American Roach (German Roach) stereotype out of your mind and give Dubias a chance they are far from the stereotypical Roach. I handle them, they aren't fast. They are a joy to breed and keep.
 
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LEOPARD1

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I am biased. I feel the perfect all around staple are Dubia Roaches. I also know and it is widely accepted that they pro-create easily, do not make noise, do not smell, and overall are a joy to breed and cannot climb smooth surfaces or outright "Fly". I will never use Crickets as feeders again and I will never breed Mealworms again. I will feed my Leopard Geckos Mealworms as a Substitute for WaxWorms they are fatty but not too fatty and put weight on Leopard Geckos.

If you can get the American ****roach (German ****roach) stereotype out of your mind and give Dubias a chance they are far from the stereotypical ****roach. I handle them, they aren't fast.

I mix it up Between Dubia Roaches and Mealworms. I give a lot of variety with almost every feeder on the market sans Crickets.

I would tell your boyfriend to grow a pair and buy some Dubias. If that doesn't work......

Best Wishes!
 

JIMI

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Silkworms are easy to rear and feed. Though they only eat mulberry trees or special chow made for them. I have started growing a mulberry tree just for my silks. Though I am still largely reliant on chow especially during the cold seasons when the mulberries lose their leaves. The moths do not eat and the eggs hatch best when there is some warmth on them, either an incubator or a heat lamp next to their container will work. (I can give a more detailed explanation on how to rear silkworms if you pm me, just about to go to bed)

If you don't mind, I would really like to know how you go about successfully breeding them!:) I always thought that they were too sensitive to successfully breed at home without experiencing a high number of die-offs.
 

Cymmie

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Depends on how you breed them or the strain of silkworm you are working with. There are some hybrid silkworms that are stronger at resisting diseases/bacteria and eventually death than the regular white or zebra.

But most do better with an incubator, through their young stages. I usually set it at 78-80 degrees. It's through the first three stages if I remember correctly, about a week that they need the incubator. Mulberry is always the best food to use with them compared to the chow, because it molds less but it is also harder to get unless you have one in your back yard.

I keep my silks in small rubbermaid tubs, with crafting mesh on the bottom so they can be suspended above the feces they produce. All you have to do is feed them once they are passed the incubator stage and they will spin cocoons, usually they do best with something to spin their cocoon against. I use paper towel rolls, cut down. After about... I think 24-48 hours the cocoon can be moved. Before then it's too fragile to move.

After that I move all the cocoons to a larger rubbermaid container for the moths to come out and mate. Remember both rubbermaids have holes cut in the top with mesh hot glued over it. I don't mess with the moths at all. Just let them mate and sometimes feed them off when they get to the end of their life span. I feed them to my chameleon though. I always have papertowel down underneath the moths, so that when the females lay their eggs they lay it on the paper towel.

After they lay eggs, I let them turn grey (means they are fertile) and put them in the fridge for diapause until they are ready to use. I put them in a sandwhich baggie and cut out squares around the egg batches so it's not as cumbersome.

Hope this helps a bit.
 

JIMI

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And taking a load off my wallet because these suckers are expensive lol.
QUick question:
After they lay eggs, I let them turn grey (means they are fertile) and put them in the fridge for diapause until they are ready to use. I put them in a sandwhich baggie and cut out squares around the egg batches so it's not as cumbersome.

How do you know when they are ready to use? Is it at this point when you place them into the incubator on the baggie square cutouts?
Thanks!
 

Cymmie

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I use them whenever I need to, when I am ready to use a square, I place it in a petri dish, or deli cup would would work and then let them incubate. They will hatch within a week or two usually.

Be careful if you are using chow with the little tiny stages, I shave it with a cheese shredder, over the least populated area. That way if the shavings do accidentally crush some of the worms it's not as big of a loss.

Don't be discouraged if you lose a few batches the first time. It takes a while to get it down pat. Took me about 4-5 tries just to get a decent amount to survive. Remember to wash your hands with disinfectant soap, every time you are about to feed or handle the young ones. Otherwise you could pass on bacteria that will cause disease.

I definitely know how expensive they are lol XD with my panther cham I went through 200 a month easy. AT least when he was a baby.
 

JIMI

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I already shed a tear every time I have to purchase some insects, I can only imagine how you must feel! In your situation, breeding them was definitely the smartest route lol. I believe that I have a basic understanding now, hopefully I will be as successful at breeding them and saving some money!
 

Cymmie

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They are quite a fun project, I end up getting my first batch of silkworms from a wholesale seller, who is in Florida I think. Because I can feed some off while still breeding some... They sell 500 small for like... I think it's 45 plus shipping. It's really a great price.
 
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