Leopard Gecko: Soon to be new owner - Heating Query.

Zux

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Growing and caring for Phoenix / Calci / Repti-Worms AKA: Black Soldier Fly Larvae

Worm before :(
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Worm after but not even fully grown yet :)
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You need 4 things to do this.

1: The worms you wish to grow, any brand, any quantity - they are all black soldier fly larvae the only difference is in their diet before they are shipped to you and the media they arrive in.

2: A container of appropriate size in which to lay your new substrate which will also be their food. - I use a medium critter keeper.

3: A heat source - These Larvae are most active and feed the most at a temperature of 95F.
With that in mind I have found that most if not all UTH's or heat mats work fine to provide this temperature even when unregulated as the worms will simply move to a depth at which they prefer to be.
I have also read that the Flukers brand UTH maintain a 100 degree steady when unregulated which would be perfect as when placed on top the inside of your container should be around the perfect temperature.

4 A food source So without going into too much detail these worms mouths are essentially straw like in their action, that is to say they cannot chew or break down hard food sources effectively if at all. It is important to keep this in mind when choosing a food source for them.
What I do is soak organic whole wheat in a blend of fruits and vegetables I choose from a list I would use to gut-load my feeder insects from. But other people use things like baby food or just soft fruits like banana or crushed berries.
The worms themselves do not gut-load well and the goal here is grow the already miraculously healthy worms to a larger size as distinct from what we would normally do with a cricket or roach which would be to fill their stomach with other nutrients.


So now that you have everything you need the rest is very simple and ill break it down into steps.

Step 1: Rescue your worms from whatever media they are currently in as this isnt doing anything for them or you apart from keeping them from drying out. You can do this however you wish but I like to simply dump the entire pot of worms and media into a dish of water and fish out the worms which almost always float to the top instantly.

Step 2: Saturate your substrate with the food source as your worms are drying off you can use this time to soak your new substrate in your soft food. As I mentioned earlier I use whole wheat bread as it is very porous and this allows the worms to burrow down as they like to do and feed on the fruit and or vegetable matter that I have soaked the bread in. They tend to avoid eating much of the bread and will favor the soft food you provide as long as it is there. I make sure both sides of the bread are covered in the mixture of fruit/veg at the very least.

Step 3: Add both the substrate and worms to the container by laying the bread out covering the entire surface area of the container (making sure its between 1/2 and 1 inch thick) and simply dumping the worms in on top.

Step 4: Place your container on the heat source and you're done, within 10 minutes all the worms will probably be digging in to their new home and you will see size increases by the day (literally).


A few tips are as follows:

1: Replace the worms substrate/food every 3 days or so (depending on how dry it gets)
By doing this you not only ensure the food stays fresh and good for the worms and your reptile but also prevent any excess food causing mold. (I have never had this happen)
Replacing it is easy, simply fill your container with water, your worms will float to the top (perhaps some will need encouragement to part with their new home) and dump the contents out.

2: Keep the substrate moist, the larvae far prefer a moist environment and as long as you replace the food every 3 days or so this shouldn't be an issue, if your heat source is proving hot enough to dry out the contents quicker than this you can add a little water to buy you some time or just replace the food a day early each time, your call.

3: The worms should not pupate and turn into flies in this environment and will just turn black (which is the stage before) pupation. Black worms contrary to popular belief are not dieing but are in actual fact the most nutritious of all boasting higher calcium levels than their pale counterparts. I tend to feed black worms first as these are the ones nearing the end of their lifespan as-well as nutritional reasoning.


If you have any questions go ahead and ask me here and I will try to answer them.

I would also like to thank and give much deserved credit to Adriana from the Bearded Dragon forums for this whole idea and the pictures too.


- Shane
 
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JessJohnson87

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Shane you are awesome! :banana:

They do make the mini heat mats for hermit crab and beta tanks, I'm sure those would work well to and are a little cheaper, I think. They're safe on plastic to.
 

Zux

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Shane you are awesome! :banana:

They do make the mini heat mats for hermit crab and beta tanks, I'm sure those would work well to and are a little cheaper, I think. They're safe on plastic to.

Thanks Jess, I put my tub on top of my TV satellite box thing for some reason its always just the right temperature :biggrin:
 

JessJohnson87

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haha yes. I can see it now, my husband comes home to see that I'm growing "maggots" on our router box and go what the **** is that?
 

Zux

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haha yes. I can see it now, my husband comes home to see that I'm growing "maggots" on our router box and go what the **** is that?

Haha, id stick to the word "worm" when you try to explain yourself. I dont even call Silkworms worms around my family, they are my little "caterpillars" :evil:
 

JessJohnson87

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Yeah, until he gets curious and looks them up.....I told him about feeding roaches instead of crickets and he ignored those emails. Don't think he's fond of that either, oh well, I can sway him :biggrin:
 

Zux

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Yeah, until he gets curious and looks them up.....I told him about feeding roaches instead of crickets and he ignored those emails. Don't think he's fond of that either, oh well, I can sway him :biggrin:

Ah Roaches, the classic "beetle" in my house :crackup:
 

JessJohnson87

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He finally shed sometime last night after being almost ghost like for about a week. Guess he was full on skin :scratchhead:
 

Zux

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Its funny you should mention that, whenever I come into my bedroom which is like 272424 times a day, Bell pokes her head out (to check if its me or something bad I guess). Each day this week I was sure she was pale and going to shed and then id see her later on that night and she would be bright again.

The real problem is that she is so good at hiding when she's shedding I have never seen her actually doing it after her first time. She must be doing it, I just never know all I get is a shy gecko and a pale head. I guess she thinks it is unbecoming of a lady to undress in front of a man :biggrin:
 

cricket4u

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He finally shed sometime last night after being almost ghost like for about a week. Guess he was full on skin :scratchhead:

He would of refused the mealworm as well.

Speaking of roaches, Ziggy ignored his tonight and opted for mealworms

I watched the dubia roach feeding and the size of the roach concerns me. It looked a bit too large. Perhaps his belly didn't feel too well after the fact? only he knows of course. Much easier to digest smaller prey.
 

JessJohnson87

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Lol. I got to witness a shed with my other leo, Marley. It was so fascinating to watch, he did it out in the open so I could watch him. Was the only time that happened. When I eat dinner, Ziggy will poke his head out and watch me eat.
 

JessJohnson87

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He would of refused the mealworm as well.



I watched the dubia roach feeding and the size of the roach concerns me. It looked a bit too large. Perhaps his belly didn't feel too well after the fact? only he knows of course. Much easier to digest smaller prey.

I try to tell them at the store to give me smaller ones but they throw whatever in there and give me the bag.
 

Zux

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Wait a second, what video did Cricket get to watch :shock:
Scratch that - Found it !


Also something Ive noticed from watching different peoples Leos.

Some of them seem to always hold themselves off the ground even while standing still and more often others seem to prefer to sort of semi-lay down a lot of the time and look more relaxed or lazy as they move.

The only time for example my Leo has her belly on the ground is when she is basking in front of one of her hides or resting pretty much otherwise she stands up quite tall (as tall as her little legs allow lol). Does anybody know what causes either type of behavior? I'm assuming its not personality based here which it very well may be.
 
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JessJohnson87

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When mine walks around his tank, he kind of drags his belly. He will stand up tall when he sees the charm on my bracelet dangle and get all bright eyed, usually that means he's hungry or curious. The temps are spot on in the tank, got my thermostat Monday so I have the heat pad hooked up to that.
 

Hilde

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He would of refused the mealworm as well.

I watched the dubia roach feeding and the size of the roach concerns me. It looked a bit too large.


I don't think they're any bigger, or harder to eat, than the scorpion the wild leopard is eating in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/v/TdRDlWkK60g?version=3&start=1665&end=1840&autoplay=0&hl=en_US&rel=0

The video itself is an hour long, but the link I posted starts at the leopard gecko section. The first minute also includes another gecko. You'll see that they can eat much bigger prey than we think is safe.

The roaches in the feeding video don't seem too big to me. I've seen adult leopard geckos eat much bigger roaches and other prey, no problems at all. We tend to baby them when it comes to food size, even though their bodies are made to handle fairly large items, and a lot of them, when they're available.
 

Zux

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I don't think they're any bigger, or harder to eat, than the scorpion the wild leopard is eating in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/v/TdRDlWkK60g?version=3&start=1665&end=1840&autoplay=0&hl=en_US&rel=0

The video itself is an hour long, but the link I posted starts at the leopard gecko section. The first minute also includes another gecko. You'll see that they can eat much bigger prey than we think is safe.

The roaches in the feeding video don't seem too big to me. I've seen adult leopard geckos eat much bigger roaches and other prey, no problems at all. We tend to baby them when it comes to food size, even though their bodies are made to handle fairly large items, and a lot of them, when they're available.

Its normal for keepers to baby their animals for sure but what you're saying stands to reason really, its not as though in the wild a gecko can select the perfect size insect every night I suppose.
 
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