Which Albino is he?

[CWilson13]

So, I have an Albino male Leo and for the life of me I can't tell which line of Albino he could be. His pattern is closer to Rainwater or Tremper as far as I can tell, but his eyes seem very light to me, almost like how Bell are described. I am just curious because I am very much inexperienced at morphs of Geckos, and just in case I ever decide to give breeding a shot down the road. Obviously I am including pictures. Thanks in advance!!




P.S. The last one shows how much he thinks of having his picture taken :coverlaugh:

 

[CWilson13]

After looking at dozens of pictures of each line, I have come to the conclusion he is a Tremper Albino.

This thread can be closed if possible.

 

[acpart]

Unfortunately, there's really no way to tell. Where did you get him?

Aliza

 

[CWilson13]

Got him from a Pet Supplies Plus. They really don't seem much different than Petsmart or Petco. It seems they all just get animals in with the most basic of descriptions. Things like "Fancy" Leopard Gecko. Instead of Albino, Tangerine, Carrot tail, etc.
Had he not grabbed hold of my heart due to his condition at the store, I really doubt I would have brought him home. I learned long ago that dedicated breeders are the best way to purchase an animal of any kind.
It helps that I used to work at an Alaskan Malamute Kennel. I learned just how much info each puppy comes with as opposed to a store, or even shelter, bought pup. I can only imagine the information retention is fairly universal when it comes to breeding other animals.

 

[warhawk]

It is very hard to tell the albino lines, I have read where some people can tell by the eyes but I'm not sure that works.

From what I have read if it's albino is about 65% chance it is a Tremper, 20% bell and 15% rainwater. Rainwater seam to be much less common, but tremper is the most common for sure. The only way to truly know is to know the parents or breed them to prove the time. But when your breeding to prove you are crossing lines so not a good thing.

I have seen the "fancy" geckos at pet smart that is just a name the shipper puts on them to make a few more dollars. They are some nice geckos and make great pets but if you are thinking about breeding you will save your self a lot of trouble to get from a breeder so you know the parents.

 

[CWilson13]

Yeah, I read the same stats on the Albino lines I believe. I have been re-thinking breeding him for that reason you mentioned. I guess the Manchester and Brockton shows will help me figure out just how much I want to get into Leos.

 

[warhawk]

I have some geckos that are just pets and I really enjoy them, but when I wanted to start breeding I bought from a breeder. I was able to buy 4 nice breeder stock for $15 each to get me started.

I decided to stay with tremper line because that is what he had and was the easiest to get into. I knew what my local breeder had in his stock so I also knew I would be safe with tremper. In the end I bought out my local breeder when he got out of the hobby so it worked out.

I would suggest the shows you can find some deals there and make contacts. Breeding is a lot of work and a lot more expense then most people think. Just make sure your ready.

 

[CWilson13]

Yeah, I was hoping to bug Aliza (and others at the shows) with a bunch of questions regarding breeding. Find out if it really something I would want to get into. I did some preliminary research though and was surprised at how many eggs the female can produce and how spread out it can be. Due to that I know I would have MUCH more to purchase to take care of eggs, and hatchlings, maybe even juveniles. That was really cool that you found someone close to you that helped you get into breeding though. Also beneficial in the long run it sounds!
Overall I am just glad I found such a good looking little buddy. Which is funny, because when it comes to snakes I avoid Albino morphs completely.

 

[Tokaybyt]

Is the iris (the lighter part) of the eye pink or silver? The first picture looks like it might be pink.

 

[CWilson13]

Between those choices I would say the iris is closer to pink, though it really doesn't look pink, closest I can call it is more beige than anything.

 

[warhawk]

Yes talk to Aliza I'm sure you will get the info you need. Breeding does take a lot of equipment and you don't realize how much until you starting putting it all together. And yes single female could give you up to 40 eggs that is a huge amount of space.

Finding a local breeder does help, and when they close it is a mixed blessing. I have a thread about getting them and all the work that took.

Good luck at the show.

 

[CWilson13]

Is the iris (the lighter part) of the eye pink or silver? The first picture looks like it might be pink.

I took him out to clean everything today and while I had the chance, I checked his eyes under better lighting. They are not beige after all, they are yellowish, aside from the veins.

 

[Tokaybyt]

Hmmm, usually a pink iris with a red pupil is characteristic of Bell albino, which is what I was leaning towards due to the photos you posted. Even body coloration seemed like that of Bell albino.

Again, as Aliza mentioned, no true way to tell without breeding either Bell or Tremper (definitely not a Rainwater albino) albino to him for certain. BUT, it's also frowned upon to mix the strains since all 3 at times can be difficult to distinguish from one another.

 

[CWilson13]

This is very confusing and a little frustrating lol. As for being a Bell, the pink pupil is definitely NOT there, the color of his iris is closest to Bell. His pattern and skin coloration is off though. Closer to Tremper or, I know he isn't one, Rainwater. At least from all the photos I have looked at.
I think I am just going to have to accept that I may never know. In all reality, it doesn't matter what line he comes from, he is my cool little buddy and I love him no matter what