JessJohnson87
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So cute.
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CWilson13
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Arya tends to stay out after feeding, but Apollo goes right back to his hide. That is how he tells me he is full.
Arya got to try a couple Hornworms finally, I am beginning to think she just loves food no matter what it is. Her demeanor didn't change over them from when I give her Dubias or Supers. Tonight she will be getting a few Phoenix Worms though, see how it goes.
Arya got to try a couple Hornworms finally, I am beginning to think she just loves food no matter what it is. Her demeanor didn't change over them from when I give her Dubias or Supers. Tonight she will be getting a few Phoenix Worms though, see how it goes.
CWilson13
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Along with the photos are a few updates. Arya doesn't seem as fond of the Phoenix worms I got for them both, she still prefers her Supers and Dubias. However she is up to 40g now. Which for those who don't know or remember, that is about how much Apollo weighed when he first came home. She is a good 1.5-2in shorter in length than he is, which puts her around the 5.5-6in range. She still gets very excited anytime I come to her tank and she sees the container for the Supers. Same thing if she can hear the Dubia colony running from me when I try getting some to feed the Leos. I am still waiting on my order from Mulberry farms, it was supposed to be here the 23rd, until I get those hornworms and BSFL (Phoenix worms) I won't know for sure what her real favorites are.
She is far more active than Apollo still, but that I am guessing is her age and possibly even that she is a female and I have read that females are generally more active. If anybody can offer insight on that I would be grateful!! She is most definitely a climber though! Each time she has been out with me she constantly wants back on my hand so she can climb along my arms and shoulders, even in her tank she climbs her hides and fake plant often. I also caught her taking a quick soak in her water dish last night. Normally I would wonder about that one, but she had just received new sphagnum in her humid hide so I think it was more of something done "for fun" rather than a needed moistening.
She is far more active than Apollo still, but that I am guessing is her age and possibly even that she is a female and I have read that females are generally more active. If anybody can offer insight on that I would be grateful!! She is most definitely a climber though! Each time she has been out with me she constantly wants back on my hand so she can climb along my arms and shoulders, even in her tank she climbs her hides and fake plant often. I also caught her taking a quick soak in her water dish last night. Normally I would wonder about that one, but she had just received new sphagnum in her humid hide so I think it was more of something done "for fun" rather than a needed moistening.
CWilson13
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Finally received my order from Mulberry Farms today and my concern was justified. Around half-two thirds of the hornworms are too large. This crazy and warm December combined with FedEx being all screwy really was the issue. The customer service from Mulberry Farms has promised to replace the hornworms however so I can definitely say I will be using them again. Hopefully later today I will be able to get some videos of Apollo and Arya munching away on Hornworms 
Oh and for those who do like to feed BSFL (Phoenix/Calci/Repti-Worms) the prices are MUCH better than other places and the worms look fantastic. The mediums are much larger than the same size from Phoenix Worm Store.
Oh and for those who do like to feed BSFL (Phoenix/Calci/Repti-Worms) the prices are MUCH better than other places and the worms look fantastic. The mediums are much larger than the same size from Phoenix Worm Store.
MissFrances
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She's beautiful! What an adorable little flop, too.
CWilson13
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Sadly the videos did not turn out well enough to share. The lighting is very difficult in this room. However I can say just how eager Arya was for her hornworms She ate 5 without hesitation and then went to her warm hide to rest. Must have learned that from her neighbor Apollo lol
She ate 5 without hesitation and then went to her warm hide to rest. Must have learned that from her neighbor Apollo lol
JessJohnson87
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I wanted to get some hornworms today but the pet shop was out. I'm not going to order since the weather is wonky on the east coast. Glad she liked them
JessJohnson87
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Cut them in half, it's gonna be messy but it might work.
CWilson13
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Well it is official, Arya does not like BSFL. I put a few out loose on her paper towels and all she did was lightly bite them and immediately drop them. I know she was hungry because I saw her actually try to bite at a tiny piece of the sphagnum moss that stuck to the inside of her humid hide. Thankfully she was more gentle than she is with the feeders, and only tried once.
Guess it is good I have a bunch of Supers, Dubias, and Hornworms for my picky little girl
Guess it is good I have a bunch of Supers, Dubias, and Hornworms for my picky little girl
CWilson13
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After the fiasco with the hornworms from Mulberry farms I can honestly say they are a fantastic company. I just received my replacements and not only did they arrive much sooner this time, but Mulberry included a 3rd replacement cup with another 25-30 worms.
When I contacted them about the issue I gave an estimate of at most 40 unusable worms out of the original 3 cups I bought. The woman who I communicated with was more than apologetic, even though I told her the issue was not with the company but rather FedEx. Not only did she offer to replace the worms, but I am guessing being polite and civil towards her truly paid off. I now have 75-90 small hornworms for my Leos and when I say small I really mean it, in the lower left cup you can barely even see the worms!
When I contacted them about the issue I gave an estimate of at most 40 unusable worms out of the original 3 cups I bought. The woman who I communicated with was more than apologetic, even though I told her the issue was not with the company but rather FedEx. Not only did she offer to replace the worms, but I am guessing being polite and civil towards her truly paid off. I now have 75-90 small hornworms for my Leos and when I say small I really mean it, in the lower left cup you can barely even see the worms!
CWilson13
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In strictly Arya news, I saw her in what I am guessing was pre-shed two days ago. I can only say guessing because she was very pale looking, like what I have seen others post photos of just before sheds. Later that evening she was back to normal coloring. However last night I brought her out for a bit and her back/body actually looks dull in color still, head and tail look bright as ever though. The black spots on her body look more faded than usual. Could it be that she wasn't actually fully ready for her shed?
Also, I think the weather has finally caught up to her because she has been more reclusive than normal. Since the morning I saw her pre-shed, she has remained in either her humid or warm dry hides except to eat. Tonight I will see how she looks when I feed her, and hopefully I can get a photo or two as well.
Also, I think the weather has finally caught up to her because she has been more reclusive than normal. Since the morning I saw her pre-shed, she has remained in either her humid or warm dry hides except to eat. Tonight I will see how she looks when I feed her, and hopefully I can get a photo or two as well.
JessJohnson87
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Ziggy is becoming pale and his yellow is a bit duller, so I'm sure he's in pre-shed but only time will tell. That's awesome about Mullberry farms! I'm thinking about ordering hornworms from them since the pet store never has them in stock when I go in there.
CWilson13
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Well, as you can tell I definitely recommend Mulberry Farms. The one and only downside is the shipping cost, especially if you go with the express shipping. Getting my replacements in 2 days was great though.
With the shed thing, it really confused me to see Arya "whited-out" and then have her colors look dull. I know snakes will get cloudy and then clear up before shed, but from what I have seen, Leos are different. It is strange to me to say the least. The videos I watched show a bright, colorful gecko after shed. :scratchhead:
With the shed thing, it really confused me to see Arya "whited-out" and then have her colors look dull. I know snakes will get cloudy and then clear up before shed, but from what I have seen, Leos are different. It is strange to me to say the least. The videos I watched show a bright, colorful gecko after shed. :scratchhead:
JessJohnson87
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Sometimes Ziggy is a little duller after his more recent sheds but his body temperature is a bit lower since he's decided to brumate, so that could be a factor. I would check her body temp, its usually around 85-86*
amsdadtodd
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I've seen the same thing a couple times, where one of my leo's looks ready to shed, then doesn't, then does again. I had the same thought comparing it to what happens with the snakes. Since I haven't seen this situation tied to any ill effects, I just passed it off as normal variation.
That's awesome news about how Mulberry farms took care of you! Good luck keeping that many hornworms on a controlled growth. They can grow fast in the right conditions. I've had some go from 1/2 inch to 2 inches in just a couple days in the heat and and 12/12 light cycle!
Todd
That's awesome news about how Mulberry farms took care of you! Good luck keeping that many hornworms on a controlled growth. They can grow fast in the right conditions. I've had some go from 1/2 inch to 2 inches in just a couple days in the heat and and 12/12 light cycle!
Todd