Advice about Dubia Roaches as feeders??

LilaG13

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I have a year old Female Leopard Gecko and her primary food source has been mealworms. I have tried to introduce crickets as her staple diet, but she ignores them every time I try. She is albino, which I heard could impact her eyesight, and I think thats partially the reason she doesn't like crickets. I think she has a lot of trouble hunting them.

I have been looking into Dubia Roaches, but I'm hesitant because I have NO IDEA how to keep them. Plus I am terrified of ****roaches, but if my baby needs them I can deal with it haha. I just have a few questions.

1. What kind of enclosure should I keep the roaches in?
2. What size roaches should I get?
3. How should I go about feeding them to her? If she has trouble with crickets, will she also have trouble with roaches?
4. Will they stay in a dish, or will they roam about her enclosure?
5. What temperature should I keep the roaches at?

Are there any other feeders you would suggest?
 

Akl89

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I just posted something wondering about black soldier fly larvae as a staple because I have read a lot of good things about them. Maybe that could be a good option for you. I don't know much about dubias but I have read and heard they make a great staple food. I know someone who has to pull the legs off the crickets for her albino....maybe this would help too
 

GeckoLeen

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I don't have a leo, but I do have a garg and a Bauer's gecko that both love the dubias. I tried the black soldier fly larvae, and while they are a great food, I found that they pupated rather quickly, and I ended up with flies instead of worms, that my geckos would not eat.

I switched to dubias, and they are SOOOOO easy to keep! They can't climb or fly, they don't make noise, and they don't smell. I feed them to my geckos in a white ramekin dish with a light dusting of reptical with d3 in it, and this has worked out perfectly - the sides are high enough that the roaches can't get out, and against a light background, they are easy for the geckos to see. I keep the dubias in a small faunarium, which would be safe by itself, but I put that inside of a shoebox size plastic tub with holes in the top, just to be double safe. I put egg cartons in the faunarium and I buy dehydrated fruit and soak a piece or two to feed them every couple of days. And that's it.

I find that the pet stores do not always have the best quality dubias. I order them from Josh's Frogs, you always get more than you order, and they are always healthy. Other vendors also sell them, so just shop around a little bit. I wasn't crazy about the thought of keeping roaches either, but it has been so easy and my geckos love them. Maybe try a small order of 25, and see if your gecko will eat them.
 

Akl89

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I live in Fl or I would get dubias myself �� How did you store your BSFL? I have read they keep for a good amount of time but have no experience myself. I have some being shipped to me now so I will see how it goes
 

GeckoLeen

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I kept the BSFL in the medium they came in, but put them in a small Gladware container. They don't pupate quite as fast if you keep them cooler, so I kept the container in a hard-sided lunchbox with an ice pack that I switched out twice a day - but they still pupated faster than I could use them. My geckos didn't really show much interest in them. But, each one is different, and yours may like them a lot! They are a healthy food.

Someone on another forum suggested "discoid roaches" for people who live in the states where dubias are prohibited, and said they are about the same thing but are not prohibited. Might be worth checking into. Here is one supplier: Discoid Roaches, Blaberus discoidalis 100 medium (3/8-1/2") Includes Shipping - Pinellas County Reptiles

If you feed roaches, they should be no bigger than the space between your gecko's eyes. They do sell various sizes on the above site.
 
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vastra

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Dubias are fantastic feeders! Not nearly as creepy as typical roaches, if anything they remind me a little of oversized potato bugs or woodlice. My gecko has trouble hunting and these have been much easier for him to catch compared to crickets, though this is partly because of how I feed him. :)

If you just want to keep them alive and order more as needed then throw them into a plastic shoe box with a vent in the top. Keep them at about 80 degrees, if your house is below 74 heat them using a small heat mat (I recommend a seedling heater like Ohuhu, it's about $11 and doesn't get as hot as an unregulated Zoomed would) or use a ceramic heat bulb. They're pretty temperature sturdy so don't worry too much about it.
Throw some semi-flattened toilet paper rolls or stacked egg crate in for shelter and add a plastic lid with gutload on the cooler side of the box and you're set! They'll appreciate a light misting from time to time.

They take about six months to grow to adulthood. If you get a small batch of medium sized dubias (maybe 1/2 an inch? You want them to be about the width between your geckos eyes) and a large batch of small nymphs you can feed off the medium roaches for a couple months while the babies grow to size. By raising the nymphs you'll get a chance to see what size your gecko is most comfortable with.
I've noticed dubias can push the 'between the eyes rule' a little, they tend to squish and while not advisable my gecko can even eat a freshly molted adult male dubia, but he's a large male.

Dubia roaches have a habit of hunkering down when threatened and can outrun your gecko so I've found the best method of feeding is to place them one at a time on their back in front of my gecko. They start kicking and attract the geckos attention and once he sees them he'll hunt them down even if they right themselves. They've been much easier for him to catch and he comes up to the glass and begs now that he associates my hand with food. Pick freshly molted dubias whenever possible.
They can't can't climb walls so a good slick bowl will hold them but the may not move around enough unless your gecko sees you drop them in. Don't worry if they roam around the tank, they are not as bothersome as crickets, don't bite, and will typically just hide behind decor until you or your gecko catch them. They will eat poo though, which isn't horribly healthy should your gecko eat it right after, so if they do get loose in the tank leave them a carrot to eat.


Ordering dubias gets expensive so it might be worth keeping a small colony. Care is basically the same just scaled up in size and heat becomes very important. If you do I've had luck placing 50 adults and 150-200 nymphs (nymphs were $22 on Amazon) in a plastic tote with a heater underneath (they won't breed without the heat, 78-87 seems good), adding layers of paper rolls, one leaf of kale every other day or a handful of carrot, giving them light misting daily, a small container of moist soil/coco fiber for the females to give birth in and to aid shedding, and I also removed the extra males to keep a 3 F to 1 M ratio. They're extremely social and do well crowded together but there should be a little space for them to separate for shedding to avoid stress, the dirt tub is good for that.
One year later and there are well over 400 roaches in there! Too many, actually.. Dubias live for years so have a plan for the excess adults, either give them to friends or offer them on Craigslist and someone will usually snatch them up.


They eat almost anything but for your geckos sake feeding them a mix of organic greens with the occasional fruit, especially oranges (fruit makes them poop so give them a wet paper towel for them to drink from) and sometimes carrots is good.

Superworms are a little better than mealworms, they get nice and big, and they don't pupate if kept together.

Hornworms and silkworms are supposed to be fantastic, easy to eat, healthy, but they grow fast.
 
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GeckoFanboy

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I have tried to introduce crickets as her staple diet, but she ignores them every time I try. She is albino, which I heard could impact her eyesight, and I think thats partially the reason she doesn't like crickets. I think she has a lot of trouble hunting them.

You have an albino gecko that is having trouble catching crickets?
Just curious...do you have a "light" on your tank? If so, I'd get rid of it now. Use a UTH (w/thermostat) on the warm hide side of the tank, and if you need any heat at all on the cool side (if it's too cool), then just use a ceramic heater bulb if need be. Albino geckos hate light even more than other leos. If you have an albino exposed to tank lighting, over time it can go nearly blind...which makes it real hard to catch crickets.

Ever go to the eye doctor and have those drops put in your eyes before an exam that dilate your pupils? Then afterward, you have to wear sunglasses outside so you can see...or maybe even have to get someone else to drive? That's how an albino gecko feels when he walks out of his hide into a tank with a light shining down on him. He can't see well in the light.

The most economical way to deal with dubias, for me...I keep a small stash of dubia roaches (no more than 20) in a square plastic kitchen container with holes punched in the lid. I also put two small toilet paper tubes in with them to give them someplace to hide. I give them Repashy Bug Burger, along with kiwi, broccoli, carrots and apples (sometimes oranges). The day before I feed to my gecko, I pull two of the biggest ones out and put them in a separate container with carrots and Repashy Superload powder...let them gutload on this for 24-72 hours.

If your gecko is at least 7 inches long it can eat a 1" long dubia roach...no problem. Dubia roaches look hard, but are actually soft.

Buy yourself some long Exo-Terra feeding tongs at PetSmart. That way you don't have to pick the dubias up by hand (they give me the willies, LOL). When your gecko is hungry and ready to eat. Use the tongs to grab the roach, and drop it in a bag and dust it first. Then grab it with the tongs again, and LAY IT ON IT'S BACK right in front of your gecko. Dubias have a real hard time rolling back over onto their legs...this way it can't run away, as they are very quick. When your gecko sees its legs moving around, he'll chomp it!

Don't EVER leave any bugs in your geckos tank. Bugs roaming around that he does not eat will stress him out...and crickets will bite him when he's sleeping.

If you keep dubias in a bit of a warmer area of your house, they will grow faster (they grow very slowly at room temperature). I keep my dubia container near a wall that the sun hits all day because it's kinda warm there. But you do not want direct sunlight to hit the dubia container. They like darkness.
 
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vastra

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Where do you find an Ohuhu heater?

I got mine from amazon but I think ebay had them too, never seen them in store.
There are a lot of options for heating but this was the cheapest and has been effective for me, I did forget they only come in one size so it's best for a larger bin.
 
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