breeding possibilities

[nohark]

hi,
she is on her way to me. seller said that it is a shtctb. seller said that her parents are super hypo and albino tremper. so she is a het albino tremper also.

this is my brothers male mack snow. he is also het albino tremper.


also my brother will get another female ms which also has eclipse.

so after we breed ms x shtctb and ms x, and then breed the babies what can we have? :scratchhead:

 

[acpart]

In general, the het trempers will produce some trempers, the mack snow will produce some super snows if bred to another snow and some mack snows if bred to a non snow. The eclipse will produce offspring that are het for eclipse. One of the important (in my opinion) and rewarding things about breeding is solving those puzzles for yourself. Chart out each trait, determine whether it's dominant, recessive or co-dominant, and figure it out. If you don't know what these terms mean, do some reading and research. In my opinion it's better for a person to wait on breeding until they can figure this stuff out on their own (just my opinion).

Aliza

 

[nohark]

thanks for your reply aliza. actually i created a new thread as i wanted to hear from you

what i read and learn is like this:

shtctb + het tremper X ms + het tremper
ms:
albino + other possibilities(super hypo + baldy + tangerine + ct)
het albino + other possibilities(super hypo + baldy + tangerine + ct)
not ms:
albino + other possibilities(super hypo + baldy + tangerine + ct)
het albino + other possibilities(super hypo + baldy + tangerine + ct)

but ms will erase the colors until a baby gecko reaches its adulthood. so i am not sure about how to understand if a baby is colorful mack snow (creamsicle?). i think i have to wait its adulthood.

and there is another female ms which has eclipse. so i think the best result can be:
a shtctb male from the match above. breed it with ms eclipse and have creamsicle het eclipse babies. and breed them again to have creamsicle eclipse geckos. with just one incest breeding.

 

[acpart]

That's a great start! Here are a few notes:
a. The het albino x het albino pairing will, as you've noted, produce some albinos. The ones that don't look albino may or may not be het albino (because the parents could each give their non albino gene to the offspring). Consequently, we usually say that the non albino looking offspring are 50% het albino. That means that there's a 50% chance that they have the albino gene. The only way to know is to breed them to an albino and see if any of the offspring are albinos. If not, the gecko is not het albino.

b. The "other possibilities" that you record is a good way of saying it. These traits are polygenetic or line bred and will show up to varying degrees in the offspring

c. I have bred mack snow to shtctb a number of times and to be honest, what I usually get is a gecko with a dirty grayish orangish color when it reaches adulthood. I had seen some pictures of gorgeous creamsicle geckos but that is the product of a number of generations of breeding the best looking ones together.

d. You're right that the only way to get the eclipse trait to show up is to breed het eclipses back to each other.

Enjoy the breeding adventure! I had 13 wonderful years and enjoyed it all.

Aliza

 

[nohark]

thank you Aliza!

a.
het albino (Aa) x het albino (Aa) will make
AA Aa aA aa
so %25 albino and %75 not albino. and if a baby is not albino, 2/3 chance it will be het albino. so now I found out why people write %66 het albino ) so i think it is not %50 het albino but %66

c. do you have any photos of those dirty colored geckos?

 

[acpart]

Yes, you're right, 66%.

This is the best I can do from my pictures. This one is from 2014. The father is Mack snow het eclipse. The mother is super hypo baldy (not much carrot tail, not much tangerine though she is a blood tangerine cross) het eclipse and tremper. The offspring was a snow eclipse, but I'm not that impressed with the color:




Aliza