Why the heck are people crossing the snow lines?!?!?!

[Tragicbackstory]

Snow Storm | The Urban Gecko

I love researching morphs. I just did a lot of research into "lemon frost" leopard geckos and their tumors and why they get them.

I was just searching through leopard geckos for the 999 hundredth time today and found this! I am so confused why why why would you breed the snow lines together XD it just seems like such a such a basic thing in leopard geckos. I honestly don't know why im posting this i just think people would like to cringe with me, its not bad for the gecko but the gene pool and that makes me sad

(Oh, i just realized people might disagree with me on the "okayness" of doing this and if you do plz explain why i'd love to hear it!)

 

[Geopard Lecko]

Snow Storm | The Urban Gecko

I love researching morphs. I just did a lot of research into "lemon frost" leopard geckos and their tumors and why they get them.

I was just searching through leopard geckos for the 999 hundredth time today and found this! I am so confused why why why would you breed the snow lines together XD it just seems like such a such a basic thing in leopard geckos. I honestly don't know why im posting this i just think people would like to cringe with me, its not bad for the gecko but the gene pool and that makes me sad

(Oh, i just realized people might disagree with me on the "okayness" of doing this and if you do plz explain why i'd love to hear it!)

as far as the gene pool goes there should be an issue, now as far as muddying the snow line then ya.. unfortunately this is nothing new and they've been doing it for years.. upside is they are still beautiful.. as long as they are being transparent and arent trying to hide it i dont see an issue

 

[Tragicbackstory]

as far as the gene pool goes there should be an issue, now as far as muddying the snow line then ya.. unfortunately this is nothing new and they've been doing it for years.. upside is they are still beautiful.. as long as they are being transparent and arent trying to hide it i dont see an issue

Uh do you mean "as the gene pool goes there should NOT be an issue" if i so what i meant when i was talking about the gene pool wasn't anything hazardous to the animal just the fact people are muddying the lines.

My only issue with it is it gets hard to tell whats a Mack snow and whats not... it's a little different then breeding the albino strands considering all the snow genes to my knowledge are either dominant, co dominant, or line bred. Meaning they should always show in some way, at least to my knowledge of genetics.

 

[Geopard Lecko]

I think people are doing it to try to make the most black/white geckos they can and maybe mixing the strains yields more "snows" then "norms" thats a shot in the dark guess tho. From what I've heard is even the line bread snows are just snows that have been bred back to each other for generations. The Tugs however are suppose to not have a "super form" when bred to each other from my understanding but I haven't looked into that much however they do when bred to Mack snows, again just things I've heard or read. Have you listend to
The Strength in Leo's podcast? pretty interesting.

If I had a Tug snow I would not mix it with any of my Mack snows. Just to say.

 

[Tragicbackstory]

Oh i've never heard of that podcast i'll have to listen to it most of the time when i'm researching these things I spend hours looking over article after article trying to find stuff like when i was looking into lemon frosts theres like no actual numbers for how many of them developed actually tumors and it's extremely annoying!

With the stuff about snows. I only really know about mack snows the other ones I know barely anything about i've heard of super tugs and super gems but that could be because they were bred to flipping mack snows! Back when i first go into leopard gecko genetics I kept hearing about actual line bred snows that i think were like high whites low yellow or something like that so i get confused (I saw that stuff in like 2010 so all most a decade ago so i don't know if it was inaccurate or just lost to time XD).

I only own one leopard gecko and i've never bred them so i have very little idea on the history of these morphs and polygenic traits in general. I just enjoy researching genetics of geckos cuz i find it very interesting I also find it important to stay informed with thinks like lemon frost tumors or enigma syndrome or the problems NDBE (specifically NDBE moon eye) and White and Yellows can get.

Looking at the "Snow Storm" gecko from the urban gecko it does seem to have thicker spots. Maybe it could be compared to a Hypo High-Yellow if you stretch it? Looking at thier site most of thier pure tug snows and mack snows have some sort of yellow on them so the white theory could work 2. Or i guess it could be a mix of the both.

Also i looked at your facebook page and you have some really nice leos!

(Side note: I think these people claiming to have pure super snow tugs probably just got theirs from a messy line sadly)

 

[Geopard Lecko]

Yeah I plan to stay away from any geckos with known genetic defects, white & yellows are still on the fence, some think it maybe due to too much line breeding but who knows.. I have one w/y female thats perfectly fine an so are her offspring that I believe have w/y then I have another girl who's kinda wacky, she gets real excited over food an kinda stumbles when she comes running for it. she has a lot of character but she prefers to be left alone and not bothered too often besides feeding time ofcourse! lol.

And thanks! we take a lot of pride in our lil guys an gals

 

[Tragicbackstory]

I personally believe the leopard geckos have a limit to how much brightening pigments they can have before they get tumors like in the lemon frost (going off of what i've read and seen online). I think W/Y "Syndrome" is caused by a increased amount of these pigments which cause small discomfort in some W/Y kind like a less cancerous lemon frost. But i could be wrong anyways you're welcome

 

[Geopard Lecko]

Thats very interesting! Its worth mentioning that the black knights tend to have some issues too and for their price i dont think their worth it.. However thats more from line breeding and not so much pigment.

 

[Tragicbackstory]

I totally agree! I made a simple little Reddit post on my high pigment theory but If i have the time i want to "Professionally" rewrite it with my newer ideas because my opinion has changed a bit since i posted it. I feel like my hypothesis explains and gives a solution to alot of problems in leopard gecko genetics if of course im correct. but anyways thanks for that podcast, it seems really interesting im gonna check it out

 

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[Tragicbackstory]

Uh i was not expecting that but thanks my life is a lil hectic right now so when it calms down i plan on rewriting it