Sick female

[IHaveNoIdea]

Hey,

both of my females stopped eating (as usually these days), but one of them looks really sick. She is a juvenile, about 6 months old max. She hasn't been eating properly for at least two months (a cricket about once a week maybe). She is really skinny, lost a lot of her tail. She had a bad shed yesterday I had to help her get it off her toes, now I will try to get it off her tail. What really worries me is her mouth, it doesn't look swollen, but her mouth is always very slightly open and I can see her tongue.
I moved her from her big terrarium to a small 30*30*30cm terrarium with only the basic needs, higher humidity and higher temps. I don't know the exact temps, but they are the same as with all my other geckos and they have been always doing great.
Do you know what might be the cause of this? Respiratory decease maybe? MBD because of the nutrition deficiency?
Thanks

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

She just bathed, couldn't get the stuck shed of her tail, she looked really scared and I was afraid she would drop it. She seemed to have some issues with breathing when she was inside, but in the terrarium she looks to be breathing just fine.

https://youtu.be/iZsI5chmvGM
https://youtu.be/O_ffxt6yYFU

 

[rainye20]

What temperatures do you keep your other geckos at? And what size and what are the things in the tank(tank size)? I may be wrong, but your leo might be stressed as well. Please do see a vet if this does progresses or if she does not get better.

 

[skadi.skinks]

It seems like her snout and jaw are bent downward somewhat. What supplements are you using on the crickets that she does eat? I wonder if it is a bit of MBD that's caused some deformities that keep her from being able to close her mouth properly.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

What you see could be early signs of mouth rot (infectious stomatitis) or possibly MBD.

Please share a minute-long video of this leo walking about.

1. Does she have an uneven gait -- with a leg folding underneath as she walks?
2. Please share her supplement schedule.
3. How are you managing supplements right now?
4. Is her hot rock in use?

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

1. I think she walks pretty normal. She is an enigma, so she always walks slow and careful.
2. There is no suplement schedule because she doesn´t eat. Otherwise she would have the same as all other geckos who are doing great.
3. I don´t. I tried to put a cup with pure calcium into her terrarium and yesterday I put a bit of reptivite into her water, but that just made the water smell bad, so I gave her fresh water again.
4. Yep I got two of these for years and never had any issues with them. Most of my geckos grew up on these. I use it now because it usually makes any rebel gecko eat again. But under her regular terrarium I got an UTH + heating bulb. And I added UTH under this one too. The temps might be a bit too high at the moment, but I wanted to bump them up.
This morning I added a few drops of eucalyptus oil into a small bowl, placed it in her terrarium on top of the UTH and covered it with rocks. It might help if it is the respiratory issue.
I recently moved to another room and the terrariums are close to my window now. I open it at the evening to get some fresh air and it´s still pretty cold outside, that´s the main reason why I think she got cold.

https://youtu.be/kLNEM8i6kMk

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

Her mouth is back to normal after breathing the eucalyptus oil for two days and having higher temperatures in her enclosure.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

Her mouth is back to normal after breathing the eucalyptus oil for two days and having higher temperatures in her enclosure.

Good for you!

Has she always had a spine that slopes upwards towards the back?

Here are leo temps I normally recommend.

Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C).

Place the thermostat's probe and a digital thermometer's probe together right on top of the substrate underneath the warm dry hide. If you use a UTH + a CHE you'll need 2 separate thermostats, because ground and air temperatures are substantially different.

• Warm dry hide ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide.
• Warm humid/moist hide: Also place the humid hide 100% on top of the heat mat. Keep temperatures similar to the warm dry hide.
• Cool dry hide ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
• no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the warm end
• no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the cool end

Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

Has she always had a spine that slopes upwards towards the back?

No, I think it's caused by her being so skinny. She is new to my collection, I realise I didn't present them here. I got her along with this one (about 3 months old). I should get some nice raptors and tangerine dreamsickles from this pairing. I guess I will wait for next season, because I wouldn't be able to sell anything these days, plus she needs to recover.
She is electric tangerine enigma het raptor and he is mack super snow ember (super snowflake)

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

Update.
She started to eat couple of days ago, 3 heavily powdered waxworms a day for three days straight. Yesterday she started to shed. Well, she should be shedding, but she doesn't start at all. This would be my third time shedding her skin completely by my own. She wouldn't eat now again. Her mouth closed a bit about a week ago, but yesterday evening I found her with her mouth almost fully open. Her mouth is still open. At this point I'm just thinking about euthanasia. Her back is all messed up, MBD is visible on her front legs. Stuck shed on couple of her toes, unremovable..

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

No, I think it's caused by her being so skinny. She is new to my collection, I realise I didn't present them here. I got her along with this one (about 3 months old). I should get some nice raptors and tangerine dreamsickles from this pairing. I guess I will wait for next season, because I wouldn't be able to sell anything these days, plus she needs to recover.
She is electric tangerine enigma het raptor and he is mack super snow ember (super snowflake)
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Update.
She started to eat couple of days ago, 3 heavily powdered waxworms a day for three days straight. Yesterday she started to shed. Well, she should be shedding, but she doesn't start at all. This would be my third time shedding her skin completely by my own. She wouldn't eat now again. Her mouth closed a bit about a week ago, but yesterday evening I found her with her mouth almost fully open. Her mouth is still open. At this point I'm just thinking about euthanasia. Her back is all messed up, MBD is visible on her front legs. Stuck shed on couple of her toes, unremovable..

Your photo on March 30 shows her right front leg "in trouble". Had you shared a video 3 weeks ago, I could have seen her MBD.

Waxworms are super high in fat! Waxworms contain scarcely NO food value. Can you get black soldier fly larvae where you live? BSFL = Hermetia illucens.

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Kindly share her supplement schedule prior to her loss of appetite OR the schedule your other leos receive. Please include brand, product name, and frequency. MBD can also be caused by a D3 overdose.

Early stage metabolic bone disease (MBD) symptoms include uneven (lopsided) gait, walking on one or both "elbows", bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite.

For link 4 click: Humidity Box Assists for Stuck Shed -- February 2020 update