New rescue super thin. Advice please?

cricket4u

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SamanthaLovely said:
So we've fallen into the routine of feeding twice a day. For all three that were housed together. I'm thinking of rotating Lancelot between the Oxbow and live food because he doesn't seem to be showing any signs like the other two. His stools look perfect.

Any how my vet had told me it wouldn't hurt to use some of the Calcium carbonate I was prescribed for Kalahari (who is getting so fat :biggrin:)
And since their little calcium deposits are non-existent I figured it would be alright.
So our meals go: 2-2.5cc/ml of the Oxbow, 0.05cc/ml of the calcium carbonate and 1cc/ml of water. Sometimes Sundrop and Frodo take the Oxbow better watered down more so I just put the water and Oxbow together and split their feeding into 4.

I'm hoping that the liquid Calcium will give them a boost. Kalahari seems to be thriving since she started it.
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This is the problem with these foods being available to everyone. This product is not to be abused and fed freely. It's under proffesional line and should only be used under vet supervision and during illness. This product is not to be fed if a gecko is not ill. That vet has failed so far and her information as far as I am concerned is dismissed. No extra stuff is needed if a gecko is acting normal, feeding and has normal stools. Variety of insect along with proper supplementing is all that is needed. Why would you add more calcium to a product that is already balanced? You are asking for hypercalcemia and other conditions.

Carnivore Care should only be purchased from licensed veterinarians.

This is why I do not answer when I am questioned about specific amount. You must have a knowledgeable vet calculate and recommend according to the condition, not blindly. The correct analysis must be done. It can endanger the health of the gecko who is already in fragile conditions.
 
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cricket4u said:
This is the problem with these foods being available to everyone. This product is not to be abused and fed freely. It's under proffesional line and should only be used under vet supervision and during illness. This product is not to be fed if a gecko is not ill. That vet has failed so far and her information as far as I am concerned is dismissed. No extra stuff is needed if a gecko is acting normal, feeding and has normal stools. Variety of insect along with proper supplementing is all that is needed. Why would you add more calcium to a product that is already balanced? You are asking for hypercalcemia and other conditions.

Carnivore Care should only be purchased from licensed veterinarians.

This is why I do not answer when I am questioned about specific amount. You must have a knowledgeable vet calculate and recommend according to the condition, not blindly. The correct analysis must be done. It can endanger the health of the gecko who is already in fragile conditions.
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It was purchased from the vet's office. And I've been told by multiple people that even though Lancelot has not shown signs he is defiantly sick because whatever the other two have is contagious. So because I virtually know nothing I have to go by what I've been told by vets etc. And if he is indeed sick and everyone is sure it has something to do with the digestive tract then I figured it wouldn't kill him to be on the Oxbow every other day to give him some time in between to heal/rest/whatever. But I get what you're saying and I will get him off of it and not give them any more calcium.

As for amounts the vet never told me though when I told her I was feeding them 0.5cc or 0.6cc she said that was fine. The secretary told me to just use the directions on the back. So it's .6 of a tbsp to 300g. which worked down would be .05625ml which I don't think is accurate. So I'm going for .4cc/ml until a knowledgeable vet can give me an accurate amount. I'll be calling the Bowmanville vet tomorrow if I'm home before they close.
 
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SamanthaLovely said:
It was purchased from the vet's office. And I've been told by multiple people that even though Lancelot has not shown signs he is defiantly sick because whatever the other two have is contagious. So because I virtually know nothing I have to go by what I've been told by vets etc. And if he is indeed sick and everyone is sure it has something to do with the digestive tract then I figured it wouldn't kill him to be on the Oxbow every other day to give him some time in between to heal/rest/whatever. But I get what you're saying and I will get him off of it and not give them any more calcium.

As for amounts the vet never told me though when I told her I was feeding them 0.5cc or 0.6cc she said that was fine. The secretary told me to just use the directions on the back. So it's .6 of a tbsp to 300g. which worked down would be .05625ml which I don't think is accurate. So I'm going for .4cc/ml until a knowledgeable vet can give me an accurate amount. I'll be calling the Bowmanville vet tomorrow if I'm home before they close.
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I just glanced at their website and it appears the majority of their patients are cats and dogs. I know your trying, but I will hate for you to find yourself in the same situation again. Do your best to find a vet who see mostly exotics if possible. I would go ahead with the fecals meanwhile.
 
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cricket4u said:
I just glanced at their website and it appears the majority of their patients are cats and dogs. I know your trying, but I will hate for you to find yourself in the same situation again. Do your best to find a vet who see mostly exotics if possible. I would go ahead with the fecals meanwhile.
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It was recommended to me by the Reptile zoo so I'm hoping they're leading me the right way.
 
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yay ive been waiting for good news! now I think you can breathe a sigh of relief. I think she is looking better judging by the pictures of how she is getting a bit plumper, just keep up with what ur doing and I am betting she will come around since parasites and impaction have been ruled out!
 
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XoVictoryXo said:
yay ive been waiting for good news! now I think you can breathe a sigh of relief. I think she is looking better judging by the pictures of how she is getting a bit plumper, just keep up with what ur doing and I am betting she will come around since parasites and impaction have been ruled out!
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The vet did not test for parasites.:( Look at her other thread.
 
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oh what!! oh no :( I thought they tested that with her fecal!
That should have been first! I would be going mad with this vet!
 
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SamanthaLovely said:
I have some possible good news. Frodo's Acid-Fast stain came back negative for crypto. Two negatives. Fingers crossed.
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I am happy to hear this, however remember when the vet said it did not mean much? Well, the problem is they are not always shedding oocysts and a large majority of the time you get a False negative. Ideally continued fecals have to be performed. I have had reptiles who were positive, but at times the test came out negative. I'm sorry:(. I don't want to ruin it, but I have to warn you just incase housing them together crosses your find in the future. Whenever possible, it will be wise to have repeated fecals to check for crypto.
 
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So now the next step is to test for worms. ugh what a pain you have to keep going back and forth to the vet for everything! I do see something in the picture in the other thread that resembles a worm.
The vet should have done a fecal test FIRST and tested for everything before they made any sort of diagnosis or prescribed anything. I dont get this vet, Hopefully the new vet you go to is more informed about reptiles, get a copy of all of your records for the new vet. I would write a letter of complaint as well!
 
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XoVictoryXo said:
So now the next step is to test for worms. ugh what a pain you have to keep going back and forth to the vet for everything! I do see something in the picture in the other thread that resembles a worm.
The vet should have done a fecal test FIRST and tested for everything before they made any sort of diagnosis or prescribed anything. I dont get this vet, Hopefully the new vet you go to is more informed about reptiles, get a copy of all of your records for the new vet. I would write a letter of complaint as well!
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We've actually found this little guy in her tanks last night:

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Pretty sure that's part of the problem. I called and told them I'll be dropping in today to talk to the vet.

This is the thread for the other two that I rescued with her:
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ris/63442-two-new-rescues-big-ol-sweetie.html

I'm thinking about getting them joined by an admin.
 
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XoVictoryXo said:
oh boy! those def look like worms. well they seem to be easily treatable.
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I hope so. They said to go in just after 2 today to see the vet. So we'll see what happens. And I'm going to see if they will give me a copy of my files today/fax them to my house.

Off topic, do you use a heat source for your red-eared sliders? My brother has one and we've just been using an aquarium heater. Just wondering if there is something better.
 
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SamanthaLovely said:
I hope so. They said to go in just after 2 today to see the vet. So we'll see what happens. And I'm going to see if they will give me a copy of my files today/fax them to my house.

Off topic, do you use a heat source for your red-eared sliders? My brother has one and we've just been using an aquarium heater. Just wondering if there is something better.
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Sorry, you have to go down to the section where it says no geckos and post a new thread. Just kidding :biggrin: Yes they do and they also need UVB and a basking spot.
 
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LOL Yes I am using an under tank heater and a uvb light :) as it gets warmer I am going to remove the uth because i would cook them in the summers here.
i am just keeping hope for frodo. I feel like she is a fighter and will beat this thing!
 
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She said the worms were deteriorated and I needed to bring out a new sample. My car also broke down 3 hours away. Hit a pot hole in Ottawa, probably broke the axel. I can't even get home tonight to feed the geckos. I'm hoping and praying they'll be alright not eating til tomorrow. I feel like such a failure tonight.
 
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