New Juvenile Leopard Gecko

Aajvell93

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I just adopted a new juvenile leopard gecko yesterday. So far all seems very well, I just want to get some feedback considering this is my first gecko. I am also an owner of a bearded dragon. Currently my leopard gecko is housed in a ten gallon with an under tank heater. Temp of the cage usually ranges between 73-75 degrees. I have two hides for him one on the warm side and one on the cool side, a dish of water and a dish with calcium without D3. He is I would say about 4 inches long. Was very alert and had the fattest tail of any of the geckos there. (I got him from petsmart). I brought him home and put him in the tank right away. He took some time to wander around the cage, even avoided both hiding spots at first to get a good look at everything. I dropped in a mealworm just in case but he showed no interest, which I expected from a new reptile. After a while he went in his hide and has for the most part been in there since then. Every now and then ill see him poke his head out or even come out and climb on his rock but as soon as he sees movement he goes back to hide, again to be expected. I know he has gotten out because he has used the bathroom for me already. Today I threw in about 6 crickets all dusted and gut loaded. I put two at a time since I was feeding inside his cage, obviously he's not ready to come out yet. He would wait until they went in the cave with him and I could see him snatch all of them up with no hesitation. That really surprised me to see him eat so soon! Very comforting though!
I am just looking for general feedback, as I said he is my first gecko so if there is anything I could change I am always open to suggestions.

I do wonder how much I should be feeding him. I have both crickets and mealworms available. I also have dubai roaches that I feed my beardie. Ive read roaches are decent for geckos, should I try him on those as well?
 

JessJohnson87

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Are the temperatures you listed air temperatures or ground?

The ground temps on the hot side need to be between 88-92, measured with a digital thermometer with a probe or temperature gun. Unlike bearded dragons, leopard geckos need belly heat to digest their food. The little guys will eat a lot so just feed how ever much he will eat, roaches are excellent, I would try throwing one in there to see what it will do. You don't need to dust every roach/cricket/mealworm, just a few.

Welcome to GU!
 

Aajvell93

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Are the temperatures you listed air temperatures or ground?

The ground temps on the hot side need to be between 88-92, measured with a digital thermometer with a probe or temperature gun. Unlike bearded dragons, leopard geckos need belly heat to digest their food. The little guys will eat a lot so just feed how ever much he will eat, roaches are excellent, I would try throwing one in there to see what it will do. You don't need to dust every roach/cricket/mealworm, just a few.

Welcome to GU!

Oops! The temps I listed were the air temps. His belly temp is 90.
 

JessJohnson87

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I thought so, just wanted to make sure!

Are you dusting with calcium+d3 and then a multivitamin without D3 like twice a week? I found that Repashy Calcium Plus works better for me, dusting schedules can be confusing and such. I would also put a humid hide box on the warm side, find a small container and line it with paper towels to moisten to aid in shedding and hydration.

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Aajvell93

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I thought so, just wanted to make sure!

Are you dusting with calcium+d3 and then a multivitamin without D3 like twice a week? I found that Repashy Calcium Plus works better for me, dusting schedules can be confusing and such. I would also put a humid hide box on the warm side, find a small container and line it with paper towels to moisten to aid in shedding and hydration.

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I do have calcium with d3 and a multi vitamin powder. I have not given him those yet. I don't have anything in his hide box yet, but I have ordered some moss to keep in there for him which should be here within the next couple days. I will place some paper towels in there for now. Thank you! I appreciate your time and feedback!
 

JessJohnson87

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I would dust a couple of the crickets with the calcium+d3 every feeding.

I used tupperware containers for my moist hides and left the dry ones dry. A smaller deli cup would be perfect for a moist hide.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I do have calcium with d3 and a multi vitamin powder. I have not given him those yet. I don't have anything in his hide box yet, but I have ordered some moss to keep in there for him which should be here within the next couple days. I will place some paper towels in there for now. Thank you! I appreciate your time and feedback!

Hi ~

A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

What brand of D3 calcium and multivitamins have you?

What are you feeding the crickets?
 

Aajvell93

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Hi ~

A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

What brand of D3 calcium and multivitamins have you?

What are you feeding the crickets?


The brand of calcium I use is zoo med. and I feed the crickets a mixture or collard greens, butternut squash, and flickers cricket quencher
 

Elizabeth Freer

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The brand of calcium I use is zoo med. and I feed the crickets a mixture or collard greens, butternut squash, and flickers cricket quencher

Those veggies are great! :yahoo:

I'd add a dry diet in addition to the veggies you now use. Many GU leo keepers are happy feeding their crickets, dubia, and mealworms Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food.

So you now have Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3. :) Consider adding just a wee dusting of plain (no D3) Zoo Med's Reptivite on half the crickets 2-4x per month as a backup. The more nutritious the dry diet + veggies you feed your feeders, the less you'll need to dust with powdered supplements.

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...79534-cork-rounds-drying-geckos-feetsies.html

Scroll to post 4 for GU billewicz's support of Scott Stahl, DVM and Zoo Med's ReptiVite™:

"My gut load mix includes paprika for Vitamin A. I also include carrot and dandelion greens for their moisture and other vitamins and nutrients. Plant based is always more assimilable that manufactured supplements.

Speaking of which, Dr. Scott Stahl, the premiere reptile vet, highly recommends the ZooMed product, ReptiVite™. Originally formulated for zoos, it seems to work better than any other product I've tried including the Repashy supplements."

Here's a United States Department of Agriculture list to check out potential foods: Show Foods.
 
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Aajvell93

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Those veggies are great! :yahoo:

I'd add a dry diet in addition to the veggies you now use. Many GU leo keepers are happy feeding their crickets, dubia, and mealworms Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food.

So you now have Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3. :) Consider adding just a wee dusting of plain (no D3) Zoo Med's Reptivite on half the crickets 2-4x per month as a backup. The more nutritious the dry diet + veggies you feed your feeders, the less you'll need to dust with powdered supplements.

Click: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...79534-cork-rounds-drying-geckos-feetsies.html

Scroll to post 4 for GU billewicz's support of Scott Stahl, DVM and Zoo Med's ReptiVite™:

"My gut load mix includes paprika for Vitamin A. I also include carrot and dandelion greens for their moisture and other vitamins and nutrients. Plant based is always more assimilable that manufactured supplements.

Speaking of which, Dr. Scott Stahl, the premiere reptile vet, highly recommends the ZooMed product, ReptiVite™. Originally formulated for zoos, it seems to work better than any other product I've tried including the Repashy supplements."

Here's a United States Department of Agriculture list to check out potential foods: Show Foods.

I will do that! Thanks! I haven't gotten him to eat much considering he's only been in his new home for a few days, but I have gotten him to eat some crickets and a couple meal worms. He won't eat them unless they run in his cave where he has been spending a majority of his time. (That I have seen him) I have cleaned up some poo on the other side of the tank so he's been exploring a little bit.

Also, I have reptivite coming in the mail. That's what I use for my beardie as well.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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I will do that! Thanks! I haven't gotten him to eat much considering he's only been in his new home for a few days, but I have gotten him to eat some crickets and a couple meal worms. He won't eat them unless they run in his cave where he has been spending a majority of his time. (That I have seen him) I have cleaned up some poo on the other side of the tank so he's been exploring a little bit.

Also, I have reptivite coming in the mail. That's what I use for my beardie as well.

Plain (no D3) Reptivite in the mail? Just confirming. With the D3 already in your Repti Calcium, having D3 in Reptivite is too much D3 for a leopard gecko.

Nice that you're giving your new leo varied feeders right from the geck-go!
 

Aajvell93

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Plain (no D3) Reptivite in the mail? Just confirming. With the D3 already in your Repti Calcium, having D3 in Reptivite is too much D3 for a leopard gecko.

Nice that you're giving your new leo varied feeders right from the geck-go!

Yes, it is vitamins with D3. So all together I have:
Calcium with D3
Calcium without D3
And multi vitamins with D3

As far as dusting, what would a healthy schedule be like? I want to make sure I don't give him too much/too little.
 

Gixxer450

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Hi there Aajvell93 welcome to GU it is awesome to see more & more people joining the fourm and getting into the hobby!! Originally posted by Elizabeth -- Lightly dust crickets, Blaptica dubia, and mealworms with Zoo Med's supplements like this:
Monday - lightly dust with Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamin withOUT D3
Wednesday - lightly dust with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
Saturday - lightly dust with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
Use the Reptivite multivitamin sparingly! The directions on both containers suggest dusting according to your gecko's weight. And if you have anymore question don't be afraid to ask were all here to help out each other!! :) Gixxer450
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Plain (no D3) Reptivite in the mail? Just confirming. With the D3 already in your Repti Calcium, having D3 in Reptivite is too much D3 for a leopard gecko.

Nice that you're giving your new leo varied feeders right from the geck-go!

Yes, it is vitamins with D3. So all together I have:
Calcium with D3
Calcium without D3
And multi vitamins with D3

As far as dusting, what would a healthy schedule be like? I want to make sure I don't give him too much/too little.

Thanks for asking. I use:
Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3
Zoo Med multivitamin Reptivite withOUT D3

This is why: I like to use the Repti Calcium with D3 more often and the Reptivite withOUT D3 much less often.

This schedule depends upon you feeding the veggies you've mentioned along with Zoo Med's Adult Bearded Dragon Food.

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Note: This schedule has been modified for Reptivite with D3.

Monthly schedule

Week 1:
Monday- Repti Calcium with D3
Thursday- no dusting
Saturday- no dusting

Week 2:
Monday- Reptivite multivitamins with D3
Thursday- Repti Calcium without D3
Saturday- no dusting

Week 3:
Monday- Repti Calcium with D3
Thursday- no dusting
Saturday- no dusting

Week 4:
Monday- Reptivite multivitamins with D3
Thursday- Repti Calcium without D3
Saturday- no dusting

(Week 5:
Repeat Week 1)


Zoo Med Repti Calcium with vitamin D3 (D3 Repti Calcium)
Zoo Med Reptivite without D3 (plain (no D3) Reptivite)
Zoo Med Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food
 
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Aajvell93

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Thought I'd post an update on my little guy. It's been just over a week since I've gotten him. He's still been eating very very well. I've now gotten him to where he will come out of his hide to chase crickets. Even with me sitting by the glass. After he eats he runs back in. But we are making progress. Wondering when I should begin to handle him. According to the pet store he is not very tame. He hisses and bites. I haven't tried, just been letting him have his space and settle in. I've been holding my hand in there here and there so he'll know I'm not trying to hurt him.
 

JessJohnson87

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If he's skittish I would give him another week maybe two before you start the taming process. That gives him some more time to realize you are friend not foe. The you can start by placing your hand inside of his tank and let him check it out, after doing this a few times he might just start trying to climb it or not. The skittish one's take the longest to tame.
 

Aajvell93

New member
Another update: (I get so excited with reptiles, I'm worse than a mother showing off her new baby lol) so I have been placing my hand in with him during feeding. He seems interested, just not brave enough to check it out yet. But, he doesn't seem scared. Even with my hand in the cage he was running around the tank chasing crickets. He also doesn't run back to his cave after each cricket now. Today, I had my beardie on my shoulder while I started feeding. (The tank used to have fish that the beardie liked to lay by and watch) so when I brought him over he jumped on the ledge by the glass. When he laid down (Dexter-is the gecko) came out and came right up to the glass and they both kept trying to lick eachother. (It was really cute) so I dropped some crickets in and Dexter came out and started chasing them, with Zeus -the beardie- laying by the glass and my hand in the tank. He even came right up to the glass and watched as I dug out his worms. I really think he's starting to get much more comfortable each day. Before all this happened I stuck my hand in to clean out some poop and he poked his little head out and watched. I will still give him some more time before I try to pick him up. I'd rather him come to my hand when he feels he is ready.

Now I also have a question. If in the future (or if it's better to do it now before he gets comfortable) I were to add one additional gecko, would that benefit him or are they better off kept alone? If they are social together I would gladly add another.
 

JessJohnson87

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Sounds like he is getting more comfortable with you.

They are best housed alone, unless you intend to breed or have 2 females about the same age and size, even then it is still risky. They are not social animals and yearn for a companion like some mammalian pets do.
 

Aajvell93

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1/26/16

It's now been about three weeks that I have gotten him. He is still eating like a champ, I have noticed his tail has gotten a little fatter and he seems very healthy. He loves when I drop this crickets in, he will chase them all over. I hold my hand in every time I feed him. Still curious but still has not come up to check me out. If I put worms in my palm he will walk on my hand no problem to eat them. Then he gets right back off.
So we are still making progress :)

Funny thing I have noticed. If I am sitting right by his glass he won't really come out unless there is food. He doesn't act scared of me at all. He will just walk back in his cave. If I am a distance a way he will come out and explore and watch me do whatever I am doing.
Lately, he had been obsessed with my cat. She goes and stands up to look in his tank. He will come out and try and lick her, even if she is pawing at the glass. (He is safe from the cats. They cannot get him.)
 

Elizabeth Freer

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#123---Proven Advice on Taming your Leopard Gecko......GU's Zux (Shane) -- Jan 2016
"I have gathered the following information from taming a number of different Geckos with wildly varied personalities and tolerances of human contact. This is by no means the only way to do things.

The first thing to remember when trying to tame any Gecko is that they all have distinct personalities. Anything you have read about a particular keeper's experience may or may not apply to you.

None of the taming process is scripted. It is wise for us to be respectful and to go at a pace comfortable for the individual at hand. Forcing things too quickly is likely to have a negative mental impact on the Gecko and, believe it or not, they do remember these (sometimes forever).

With that said there are some rules which you can/should always follow while taming your pet.

  • When close to your reptile never make sudden/jerky movements. This instantly triggers a flight response in all Geckos irrespective of their personalities. In other words - They all hate it.
  • When close to your reptile speak at a reasonable volume. Shouting or other loud noises tend to startle and/or stress them out, making them less receptive to handling or anything but hiding. Getting them used to your voice is very useful long term.
  • When taming any Gecko do so at a time they are normally comfortable being awake and outside of their favorite hides. For example, a Leopard Gecko or African Fat Tail will likely not wish to come to your hand for any reason including food bribes during daylight hours as this is a time they normally stay hidden, compounding the stress of your presence further.
  • When introducing your hand to the Gecko, and assuming you're not fortunate enough to have a terrarium with front opening doors, then let him/her see the hand coming from as far away as possible. In other words, just don't reach in from the air above the gecko as this is seen by them as predatory behavior and instantly makes them wary!
Keep these rules in mind as you begin the sometimes lengthy process of taming your Gecko. As I hinted at earlier this may take a very short or a very long time (likely somewhere in between) depending upon the Gecko's personality and how careful you are throughout the process.

For example, I have one Leopard Gecko who is now almost 10 months old and will still instantly flee to her hide at the sound of even my voice despite hearing it every night and tolerating handling itself very well. Some of them are just nervous individuals and this in most cases can still be worked with, though there are rare exceptions.

In contrast to that, another Leopard Gecko I have took no taming at all, and I mean none! She came and ate from my hand the first night I placed her in her terrarium. The next morning she instantly crawled onto my hand, up my arm, and out of her environment. I have yet to see a single sign of fear months later. No matter what happens even her breathing doesn't elevate.

My point is that Geckos can be vastly different even with the exact same care from the owner. Don't worry if things do not go as quickly as you'd like. Some things, as with humans, take time.

Follow, then repeat, these steps one by one until your Gecko is totally OK with each of them.

  1. Step 1: After you have given the Gecko one to two weeks to settle in and begin functioning normally, begin to familiarize them with your sight and sound. Sit by the tank when you know they can see you and talk to them, a little softly but not too far from what they are going to hear daily from now on. This will help your new pet realize you are not there to hunt them. Do this at night as often and for as long as you have time. A friend of mine studies and reads books aloud next to his African Fat Tail Gecko's terrarium.
  2. Step 2: Now that your Gecko is used to your presence, get him/her used to your smell and your hand. Begin by slowly placing your hand (palm down) on the floor of the terrarium. See if they will come to investigate. This may take a long time. If this isn't working or stopped working, move your hand to the door of the hide. Wait for them to come and investigate. Position your hand so that if your Gecko wishes to leave its hide it must walk across your hand. I have yet to see a gecko that, without due patience, won't come and at least look at your hand to see what it is. They are naturally curious. However, please note that some may take significantly longer than others to show any interest. Patience WILL be required. Getting the Gecko to realize that your hand is absolutely zero threat to them is your aim. Developing real trust with your hand enables further taming throughout the next stages. It's highly advisable but not a prerequisite to wait until the Gecko walks onto your hand by itself before moving forward with the next steps.
  3. Step 3: Once your Gecko has no fear of walking onto your hand, slowly lift it off the ground. Do this slowly. Only lift it a couple of inches at first before slowly placing it back down. This allows the Gecko to get used to the sensation.
  4. Step 4: The next step is some short hand walking. Once your gecko is on your hand lift it up. Slowly place your second hand in front of your Gecko as it begins to try to walk off the lifted hand. Judge your Gecko's comfort level by the speed at which it walks. If it slowly ambles from hand to hand continue this for 30 seconds or so. Otherwise, as soon as it begins to run, carefully lower your hand and place the gecko back on the ground in a secure spot. Repeat this until you can get the Gecko to calmly walk between the hands at least 10 times. At first the Gecko may not even like walking once, but this will improve with time.
  5. Step 5: Next up is getting the Gecko used to not just your hand, but to your touch. Once your Gecko is comfortable climbing on and over your hand, start very slowly touching it. I gently stroke its side with a finger, because that's the place it would be lifted up from when it comes to handling. Generally speaking, once your Gecko is used to your hand and sees your touch coming, it won't react badly to very light contact. Repeat this until you can tell that the Gecko is not frightened by touch. Try different areas such as the back and top of the head. Always be gentle and avoid the tail. Mistakes here can push taming backwards, so pay attention and be gentle.
  6. Step 6: The next and final step is picking your Gecko up. Note I did not say grabbing your Gecko! That isn't and never will be something I suggest doing, no matter the situation.

    Using as many fingers as the space between your Gecko's legs allow, very gently push your fingers underneath his/her belly while doing the same with your thumb from the other side. If you're doing this while they are laying down, make sure that you do not pinch his/her skin. With your fingers and thumb under the belly supporting your Gecko, gently lift the Gecko out of the vivarium.
So that covers the basics. Once you have gone through all of these stages and allowed a sufficient amount of time within each for your gecko to become accustomed the the new experiences, it becomes a matter of repetition in order to fully tame your Gecko.

As a final note I can't stress enough the importance of patience and of trying to look at things from their point of view. Rushing things like this with reptiles only has negative consequences on their long term tolerance to handling and to people in general.

Be aware when your Gecko is not happy or feeling scared. Quick pulsing of the throat almost always indicates increased fear! Extra care should be taken when your Gecko is feeling this way. Likewise when they move in sudden bursts and stay deathly still between those they are behaving defensively and shouldn't be stressed further. If you are somewhat informed as to how they normally move and act, you can make more effective decisions on how you behave around them and minimize the negative experiences they associate you with.

Good Luck"
 
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