kenya_1977
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Paroedura masobe: adult animals + terrariums photos
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Hazpat
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Hmmmm... maybe I was tired when I read it, I thought there was some realy bad grammer and spelling. Now when I read it, it looks fine. :roll: maybe she edited it? :lol: or maybe that was one of those times (like now) were phantasticus is asking me a million questions while im trying to type :evil:
kenya_1977
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Don't remember editting anything. And Afelinus is one to talk about looking tired! 
Bowfinger
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Crystal I think you look great :wink: The brother sister thing :lol: My sister Patrick is the same way.
Thanks for the offer, I will take you up on that when I get them established. I am thinking the crickets will be just fine right now. When/If I start breeding then I will try them. So far she is a mess. She has a broken finger bent back, I almost wish it had been cut off so she could not have it dangle, I am sure it is painful. Maybe I will have to remove it?
Her shakes have gone down after a force feeding (now that is an OUCH!), I am sure people will be upset to see this but I feel she has no energy to eat on her own so I had to. It worked for now as she is stronger, but I still have to get her to eat on her own, then I will feel better.
By the way they have a point at tip of tail and use this when held. Not painful but scared the $#%? out of me!
Thanks for the offer, I will take you up on that when I get them established. I am thinking the crickets will be just fine right now. When/If I start breeding then I will try them. So far she is a mess. She has a broken finger bent back, I almost wish it had been cut off so she could not have it dangle, I am sure it is painful. Maybe I will have to remove it?
Her shakes have gone down after a force feeding (now that is an OUCH!), I am sure people will be upset to see this but I feel she has no energy to eat on her own so I had to. It worked for now as she is stronger, but I still have to get her to eat on her own, then I will feel better.
By the way they have a point at tip of tail and use this when held. Not painful but scared the $#%? out of me!
mat.si
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Shane, I really hope your female will be OK.
If she starts eating, she's probably on the good way to recovery.
Nobody likes force feeding of course, but sometimes it's the only option.
Try to trick her into grabing a headless (and possibly legless) cricket offered by forceps.
I did this many times with weak geckos. Gently rub the cricket over gecko's closed mouth (maybe even put a drop of water on the criket's neck). A lot of times the gecko will start licking water together with the contents of the cricket and maybe even grab and eat the cricket by itself. You can then gently push the cricket into gecko's mouth.
This worked for me many times and it's much less stressfull than actual force feeding.
Paroedura masobe actually looks (tail minus spines, head and eyes) and behaves (hunting in a head down position from a vertical surface) very similar to Carphodactylus laevis from Australia.
(See article in Gekko Vol. 2, Issue 2)
I actually had the chance to observe and photograph these unique geckos in the nature in Queensland.
I wonder if anybody outside Australia actually keeps and breeds this species.
Regards, Matjaz
Shane, I really hope your female will be OK.
If she starts eating, she's probably on the good way to recovery.
Nobody likes force feeding of course, but sometimes it's the only option.
Try to trick her into grabing a headless (and possibly legless) cricket offered by forceps.
I did this many times with weak geckos. Gently rub the cricket over gecko's closed mouth (maybe even put a drop of water on the criket's neck). A lot of times the gecko will start licking water together with the contents of the cricket and maybe even grab and eat the cricket by itself. You can then gently push the cricket into gecko's mouth.
This worked for me many times and it's much less stressfull than actual force feeding.
Paroedura masobe actually looks (tail minus spines, head and eyes) and behaves (hunting in a head down position from a vertical surface) very similar to Carphodactylus laevis from Australia.
(See article in Gekko Vol. 2, Issue 2)
I actually had the chance to observe and photograph these unique geckos in the nature in Queensland.
I wonder if anybody outside Australia actually keeps and breeds this species.
Regards, Matjaz
kenya_1977
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I know how it is with the force feeding. I had a female U. lineatus that had crashed due to an over infestation of protozoans. She had become extremely dehydrated and stopped eating. After treating her with metronidazole I spent several weeks making sure that she would drink and eat something before she started back in on her own. She was so bad that she wasn't even licking water on her own. Happy to say that she's healthy as a horse now!
Due to the low metabolism of most of these guys, recovery can take a while. As long as she is taking something when you feed her, I'd say chances are she'll be fine.
If she doesn't seem to be responding to regular force feedings (gradually getting more energy) then a fecal would be a good idea (not saying that you hadn't thought of this). It's hard to get ahead of the game if the stress she's been through has let a parasite load take over.
Best of Luck Shane, and thanks for the compliment
-Crystal
Due to the low metabolism of most of these guys, recovery can take a while. As long as she is taking something when you feed her, I'd say chances are she'll be fine.
If she doesn't seem to be responding to regular force feedings (gradually getting more energy) then a fecal would be a good idea (not saying that you hadn't thought of this). It's hard to get ahead of the game if the stress she's been through has let a parasite load take over.
Best of Luck Shane, and thanks for the compliment
-Crystal
Bowfinger
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Matjaz, these guys are a little spastic to take anything on the nose or mouth like some other geckos. I normally dab panacur on most wc geckos, but these guys thrash about! I love those Carphodactylus laevis, you are very lucky to see them!
Crystal, I have had similar experiences recovering Uroplatus, otherwise I would never believe in force feeding. (You still working with lineatus?) I did give her panacur with other supplements on the first force feeding...the second one she regurgitated so I stopped this method since she does have some strength. I do want to get a microscope with camera soon to do fecals myself, then I can share a little of that info with pictures for some help.
Last night and tonight I have not touched either one. I misted the cage and added ceran rap on top of the cage to hold the humidity to 90-100%. I did get a few small snails after the rains and placed in the cage of female to at least give her this option. I also try one dusted cricket at a time when lights are out. They have shown activity, even taking time to check each other out in opposite cages when lights where out tonight. They went back to hide spots today, so another good sign. They actually look thicker as well, so maybe getting rehydrated. It is basically a waiting game now it seems. Thank both of you for the support as this can be stressful on ME, I act like they are the last ones on the face of the earth :lol:
Crystal, I have had similar experiences recovering Uroplatus, otherwise I would never believe in force feeding. (You still working with lineatus?) I did give her panacur with other supplements on the first force feeding...the second one she regurgitated so I stopped this method since she does have some strength. I do want to get a microscope with camera soon to do fecals myself, then I can share a little of that info with pictures for some help.
Last night and tonight I have not touched either one. I misted the cage and added ceran rap on top of the cage to hold the humidity to 90-100%. I did get a few small snails after the rains and placed in the cage of female to at least give her this option. I also try one dusted cricket at a time when lights are out. They have shown activity, even taking time to check each other out in opposite cages when lights where out tonight. They went back to hide spots today, so another good sign. They actually look thicker as well, so maybe getting rehydrated. It is basically a waiting game now it seems. Thank both of you for the support as this can be stressful on ME, I act like they are the last ones on the face of the earth :lol:
Shane,the method the mat si mentioned about rubbing a legless cricket back and forth over the edge on the side of the mouth is very good and less stressful.When I acclimated Hemitheconyx Taylori,this is how I got them to take crickets.Sometimes I take a business card and lightly separate the mouth by gently tickling it and have a fresh killed cricket suspended on a slight fold in the card and let it slide towards the mouth because they will try to take a bite at the card.The card is soft enough that it doesnt do any damage to the mouth or teeth.The Taylori would eventually take crickets on their own.They lurned the scent and it was downtown after that.I CANT GIVE ALL MY SECRETS AWAY. :roll:
Not that I know of.I used to get them from Glades Herp a few years back.There was a guy named Terry that would get me some nice stuff.They were real expensive in the beginning.Then everybody was losing them,so I tried them out,kept them alot more humid than everyone else,and got them to feed on crickets.People doubted me,because I keep a very low profile,but I directed them to a caresheet that Glades published in one of their green pricelists and they saw I wasnt being dishonest.I brought them to the Sacramento Reptile show,and there was alot of photos taken.People couldnt believe their eyes.It was worse when I bred them.Guess I dont keep to low of a profile now.DA%# Nathan,he made me start sharing.
Sorry,they are long gone.A couple well-known breeders bought them and subsequently lost them over a years time.Sad,but true.They were in excellent shape when they left my hands.I had 3 pairs established,and 2 breeding.1 pair was proven,neat babies,really pretty nimble after a few days.
Bowfinger
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Thanks for the tip Afelinus and the detailed help mat.si, so far the pair is doing ok and I am noticing improvements. The male has eaten on his own and the female is fed a cricket every night by hand (the credit card does help keep the mouth open). I did notice a sore on the belly of the male, not sure what it was but have changed bedding and I am treating to prevent infection. So far it looks to be healing but very curious what has caused this. I did use a peat that had additives for plants without considering the problems of this and have changed that out just in case. I keep humidity levels high so it is a possibility any strong metals or other chemicals could have leached onto his belly?
Other than that and the female having a broken finger I still am very confident about the progress. Here are pictures of them now (female is starting shed) nothing like the plump ones mat.si has!
Ok, I cut off the finger :shock: . Her broken finger would fold back under her palm and make it hard for her to walk I HAD TO DO IT! I was a little dizzy after doing this as I felt sooo bad. Also I noticed in these pictures they look about the same so I am giving larger crickets.
Other than that and the female having a broken finger I still am very confident about the progress. Here are pictures of them now (female is starting shed) nothing like the plump ones mat.si has!
Ok, I cut off the finger :shock: . Her broken finger would fold back under her palm and make it hard for her to walk I HAD TO DO IT! I was a little dizzy after doing this as I felt sooo bad. Also I noticed in these pictures they look about the same so I am giving larger crickets.