rescued hatchling leo... help

[paulibabes]

hi i went to this shop in guisborough(northeast england) and it has been sold to new owner and this new owner has no idea about reptiles and doesn't give a f*** about them... anyway i went in and there was no water for the cornsnakes and the bearded dragon which had bad eye infections and was panting and not moving at all... i also saw this hatchling leopard gecko tiny poor thing it had no water and there was a dead cricket big black one bigger than the gecko! i got the gecko and have a nice setup for it atm and seems energetic and happy it has some sheded skin on its toes and some toes missing ;( and i also noticed that some toes were black any ideas of what this might be? is it where the crickets was eating its toes or is it a vitamin deficency? anyway i'd really appreciate the help!

thanks, paul

 

[Isis]

The black toe may be a necrosis- it is too late to make it better, but be sure to moisten the remains of sheded skin and remove it.

 

[paulibabes]

hey

yea i posted this on reptile forum bcoz i was getting no replys on here haha!

i thought it was a skin shed prob so i made a moist hide and everything straight away anyway the toes are actualy getting better but for the ones which are already lost... but still the blackness is going and the lil geckos is looking much better already!

cheers, paul

 

[leolover96]

Glad to here he is feeling better

 

[Airedale]

Yeah I would say that that is necrosis. If you want to see another form of necrosis in humans, look at a person who has been bitten by a rattlesnake. If the limb has been bitten without prompt medical aid, the venom eats away at the flesh. This turns it a black color. Necrosis is mostly permanent, but you can get a slight regrowth by the natural regeneration of flesh and skin. Don't expect much. Wow, this reply was pretty much useless. :roll::yawn:

 

[jabberwock486]

if money exchanged hands in store you did not rescue the gecko, you bought it.

i really really wish people would not "rescue" sick animals from vendors. all you do is say "hey sell more and i'll buy" if you must complain do this instead and tell others about that store. giving them money means you give them support. also i doubt your the only one who has rescued animals from this store. if you want to hurt them don't buy from them, write their company and inform others.

this is also a problem with the supply chain. many animals arrive at the stores in bad condition. so this is a problem with breeders too. you see many smallish, sick looking and bad shedding geckos in many stores around here. much the same issue with puppy mills. in fact a great many people i know never buy pets from a pet store. they buy from breeders whom have a good reputation. a pet store is to push products and make profit. you will not find the best ethics, selection or service from them in most cases.

in simple if money exchanged hands in a store it NOT a rescue, its a purchase. you only continue the problem until some asshat wants to make all reptile sales illegal. buy from breeders and sellers who maintain healthy animals and blood lines. it can be a difficult search but is well worth it. also in the time you go about searching you learn if the animal will be right for you. too many people buy on impulse and that leads to problems too.

if you do want to rescue check with you local herp society or humane society. there are many animals there that really need rescued. everything from geckos to dogs. often times in much better condition than the ones at death's door found at petco.

sorry for the rant but i feel it needs said. seems like someone "rescues" a gecko just about every day. i also can't help but wonder if many don't have the "reality" check in place.
the world sucks and there is often little you can do. sometimes your good intentions are the bad choice.

 

[lemonjello]

if money exchanged hands in store you did not rescue the gecko, you bought it.

i really really wish people would not "rescue" sick animals from vendors. all you do is say "hey sell more and i'll buy" if you must complain do this instead and tell others about that store. giving them money means you give them support. also i doubt your the only one who has rescued animals from this store. if you want to hurt them don't buy from them, write their company and inform others.

this is also a problem with the supply chain. many animals arrive at the stores in bad condition. so this is a problem with breeders too. you see many smallish, sick looking and bad shedding geckos in many stores around here. much the same issue with puppy mills. in fact a great many people i know never buy pets from a pet store. they buy from breeders whom have a good reputation. a pet store is to push products and make profit. you will not find the best ethics, selection or service from them in most cases.

in simple if money exchanged hands in a store it NOT a rescue, its a purchase. you only continue the problem until some asshat wants to make all reptile sales illegal. buy from breeders and sellers who maintain healthy animals and blood lines. it can be a difficult search but is well worth it. also in the time you go about searching you learn if the animal will be right for you. too many people buy on impulse and that leads to problems too.

if you do want to rescue check with you local herp society or humane society. there are many animals there that really need rescued. everything from geckos to dogs. often times in much better condition than the ones at death's door found at petco.

sorry for the rant but i feel it needs said. seems like someone "rescues" a gecko just about every day. i also can't help but wonder if many don't have the "reality" check in place.
the world sucks and there is often little you can do. sometimes your good intentions are the bad choice.

Yes!!!!!

 

[Kazska]

if money exchanged hands in store you did not rescue the gecko, you bought it.

i really really wish people would not "rescue" sick animals from vendors. all you do is say "hey sell more and i'll buy" if you must complain do this instead and tell others about that store. giving them money means you give them support. also i doubt your the only one who has rescued animals from this store. if you want to hurt them don't buy from them, write their company and inform others.

this is also a problem with the supply chain. many animals arrive at the stores in bad condition. so this is a problem with breeders too. you see many smallish, sick looking and bad shedding geckos in many stores around here. much the same issue with puppy mills. in fact a great many people i know never buy pets from a pet store. they buy from breeders whom have a good reputation. a pet store is to push products and make profit. you will not find the best ethics, selection or service from them in most cases.

in simple if money exchanged hands in a store it NOT a rescue, its a purchase. you only continue the problem until some asshat wants to make all reptile sales illegal. buy from breeders and sellers who maintain healthy animals and blood lines. it can be a difficult search but is well worth it. also in the time you go about searching you learn if the animal will be right for you. too many people buy on impulse and that leads to problems too.

if you do want to rescue check with you local herp society or humane society. there are many animals there that really need rescued. everything from geckos to dogs. often times in much better condition than the ones at death's door found at petco.

sorry for the rant but i feel it needs said. seems like someone "rescues" a gecko just about every day. i also can't help but wonder if many don't have the "reality" check in place.
the world sucks and there is often little you can do. sometimes your good intentions are the bad choice.

I understand what you're saying, but its a bit harsh :roll:

 

[MattL]

I understand what you're saying, but its a bit harsh :roll:

The reality of the world and how it works is worse.

Matt

 

[Kazska]

The reality of the world and how it works is worse.

Matt

I know and I agree with what Jabberwock is saying but the guy was only trying to help, I don't think we should make him feel bad about buying the leo :?

xxxXXX

 

[phearamedusa]

I think what was said is fair, the OP didn't rescue the gecko if they paid for it, they bought it, in my opinion. Rescue implies to me, anyways, that it was free, or really close to it.

 

[bluesombardi03]

Feeling bad for an animal and saving it shouldnt be looked down on. You can still write the company and possibly any animal rights groups you have there without punishing the helpless animal. And you still PAY for rescued pets from animal shelters due to their care shots etc.

 

[Kazska]

Feeling bad for an animal and saving it shouldnt be looked down on. You can still write the company and possibly any animal rights groups you have there without punishing the helpless animal. And you still PAY for rescued pets from animal shelters due to their care shots etc.

I agree except when you buy from animal shelters they've rescued them first and make you fully aware of whats wrong with the animal, its different than buying from somewhere that is trying to sell injured or sickly animals.

BUT YES! I feel very strongly that people shouldn't be critisized for saving saving an animal!

xxxXXX

xxxXXX

 

[slove1106]

if money exchanged hands in store you did not rescue the gecko, you bought it.

I know this is old but I had to comment on this. I disagree. A "rescue" has nothing to do with money. It has to do with your actions. Whether free or $1000, when you take an animal into your care to take it away from bad conditions to give it a better future, you're rescuing it. If some a-hole down the street was beating his dog and I offered him $10,000 to give me the dog so I can give it a better life, I'm still RESCUING it.

Look up the word "rescue" in the dictionary. Not once does it mention money.

res·cue
-verb (used with object) 1. to free or deliver from confinement, violence, danger, or evil.
2. Law. to liberate or take by forcible or illegal means from lawful custody.
–noun 3. the act of rescuing.

i really really wish people would not "rescue" sick animals from vendors. all you do is say "hey sell more and i'll buy" if you must complain do this instead and tell others about that store. giving them money means you give them support. also i doubt your the only one who has rescued animals from this store. if you want to hurt them don't buy from them, write their company and inform others.

If you don't know how most chains work, then I'll tell you. If Petco/PetSmart gets 10 Leos a shipment, and 8 die, they mark it as a "loss", and order more. If they're sold, they're sold. If they die, they die. They'll buy more. No amount of dead animals is going to stop their re-ordering and sale of a certain species. It's store routine. It doesn't matter where the 10 Leos go, once they're gone, they'll order more. So let me ask you, would you rather the Leos die in their care, or thrive in your home?

Who cares where your "money" is going? It's not about support or money. It's about every individual Leo. People need to stop "boycotting" buying animals from chains because all that's doing is allowing the animals to die. Stop thinking about the money and start thinking about the individual animals. Again, not buying them is NOT getting the stores to stop selling them. That will NEVER happen. All it's doing is adding a "loss" to their inventory instead of a sale. They die with them period. By keeping your money in your stubborn boycott routine, you're also allowing a Leo to die. Was the $27 really that important?

The only way to stop them is to start with upper management. Complain to the head of the department. You're not doing much by just "not buying" from them.

in simple if money exchanged hands in a store it NOT a rescue, its a purchase.

Again, "rescue" has nothing to do with money. It's an ACTION.

if you do want to rescue check with you local herp society or humane society. there are many animals there that really need rescued. everything from geckos to dogs. often times in much better condition than the ones at death's door found at petco.

Every animal deserves a chance to be "rescued". No matter how sick or close to death. They all deserve a chance no matter WHERE they come from.

 

[lifeshighways]

if money exchanged hands in store you did not rescue the gecko, you bought it.

i really really wish people would not "rescue" sick animals from vendors. all you do is say "hey sell more and i'll buy" if you must complain do this instead and tell others about that store. giving them money means you give them support. also i doubt your the only one who has rescued animals from this store. if you want to hurt them don't buy from them, write their company and inform others.

this is also a problem with the supply chain. many animals arrive at the stores in bad condition. so this is a problem with breeders too. you see many smallish, sick looking and bad shedding geckos in many stores around here. much the same issue with puppy mills. in fact a great many people i know never buy pets from a pet store. they buy from breeders whom have a good reputation. a pet store is to push products and make profit. you will not find the best ethics, selection or service from them in most cases.

in simple if money exchanged hands in a store it NOT a rescue, its a purchase. you only continue the problem until some asshat wants to make all reptile sales illegal. buy from breeders and sellers who maintain healthy animals and blood lines. it can be a difficult search but is well worth it. also in the time you go about searching you learn if the animal will be right for you. too many people buy on impulse and that leads to problems too.

if you do want to rescue check with you local herp society or humane society. there are many animals there that really need rescued. everything from geckos to dogs. often times in much better condition than the ones at death's door found at petco.

sorry for the rant but i feel it needs said. seems like someone "rescues" a gecko just about every day. i also can't help but wonder if many don't have the "reality" check in place.
the world sucks and there is often little you can do. sometimes your good intentions are the bad choice.

First let me say - I could not agree with you more! I dont buy a single thing from any of those big chains.....and I only by from local stores that deal with local breeders! ANYMORE.... but i too once didnt realize what it meant to buy from them....

Now Second - this is the EXACT SAME information that you replied on one of my threads, I just wonder - do you have this typed up and every time you see someone pouring out their heart of how they tried to save a poor lil leo you jump on them and paste this higher than mighty post? I mean you've never ever - not even in the first reptiles you obtained you never bought a pet of any type with the hopes that you could maybe save it from a sure death or pitiful life? You've never paid a fee to an animal shelter? you've never ever done that? If you say you havent I have to admit I will never know for sure but will always feel certain you are mistaken - or just plain lied!

We are animal loving people here - we all have the gene instilled in us that makes us want to make these small (and sometimes large) creatures as happy as we can. If we see one suffering our first goal is to save it... it does not make us bad or evil for trying to save one... If my child was in a burning building and the only way to save her was to pay a fireman's salary to save her I WOULD PAY TO RESCUE MY DAUGHTER.... or yours or anyones because I, like the other people that you post that post to, am a good kind hearted person... SOME OF US know better and still do it... others simply dont know.

So please, out of respect for your fellow animal lovers take your "copied rant" and re-word it with a little less accusation and a little more education! Keep in mind we ALL care for these animals because we are all "good" people in our hearts... how about you offer some of us a little respect?

third, and finally - I've had a pissy day, I've RESCUED 4 leos this week - and yes RESCUED as in THEY PAID ME to take their sickly leos... I've been faced with spoiled brat kids biting the tails off of TWO of my rescues and I've had to intervine and take a leo away from an irresponsible teenage drug addict - so I ask that you not hold MY OWN PERSONAL RANT against me. or judge me too harshly because I wont be copying this to paste again this will be my first/last - only rant on this matter.. I dont think you're an ass, Dont prove me wrong please.

 

[lifeshighways]

If you don't know how most chains work, then I'll tell you. If Petco/PetSmart gets 10 Leos a shipment, and 8 die, they mark it as a "loss", and order more. If they're sold, they're sold. If they die, they die. They'll buy more. No amount of dead animals is going to stop their re-ordering and sale of a certain species. It's store routine. It doesn't matter where the 10 Leos go, once they're gone, they'll order more. So let me ask you, would you rather the Leos die in their care, or thrive in your home?

Who cares where your "money" is going? It's not about support or money. It's about every individual Leo. People need to stop "boycotting" buying animals from chains because all that's doing is allowing the animals to die. Stop thinking about the money and start thinking about the individual animals. Again, not buying them is NOT getting the stores to stop selling them. That will NEVER happen. All it's doing is adding a "loss" to their inventory instead of a sale. They die with them period. By keeping your money in your stubborn boycott routine, you're also allowing a Leo to die. Was the $27 really that important?

The only way to stop them is to start with upper management. Complain to the head of the department. You're not doing much by just "not buying" from them.



Again, "rescue" has nothing to do with money. It's an ACTION.



Every animal deserves a chance to be "rescued". No matter how sick or close to death. They all deserve a chance no matter WHERE they come from.

I was with you til this part... 100%... but, if we all banded together BOYCOTTED the purchase of leos from large pet chains their would be no demand... w/out a demand they will stop buying... I managed a HUGE DEPARTMENT STORE and trust me hon... it's all about the money... it's all about the supply and demand....

have you ever loved a certain cookie... ate it all the time... bought it for years.... and then all of a sudden it's not sold at your store anymore? you had to go to the other store to get it? then it was not sold there anymore until one day you cant seem to find that brand of cookie anymore (replace cookie with cigar or shoe or whatever) well that is SUPPLY AND DEMAND if the MASS public - not even ALL but the majority of us... would STOP buying anything from the big chains that only deal with imports then the small shops that buy from local breeders start having more of a demand, they grow and you build your local pet stores and your local breeders then we fill the market with good healthy leos - which is how it should be.....

as for the rest of your reply - YOU ARE SPOT ON!

 

[slove1106]

Hi lifeshighways. I totally agree about the supply and demand. The reason I said what I said, and what I was really only implying to was with Petco mostly, and somewhat PetSmart. I should have explained more, but what I meant to really say (I'll just use Petco for an example) was that Petco itself doesn't really follow supply and demand because of how their company works. I'm sure it may work with A LOT of hard work with boycotting, but with the way their policies and procedures work, it's not very likely.

You see my husband used to be a manager for Petco for many years. When one of their reptiles die, escape, or disappear, it's marked as a "loss" on their reports. No explanation of whether it's a death or an escape. Leos aren't the only reptiles that escape or die there, therefore their losses are just about even with every reptile. Because of the low price of Leos with distributors, they purchase more Leos than any other reptile or animal there. (Except maybe green anoles) The sale of 1-2 Leos in a 10 order stock will make up for the rest of the 8-9 that wasn't sold. Upper management doesn't take a look at the 8 or 9 that dies out of that 10.

I guess if everyone (And I really mean EVERYONE) banded together and stopped buying it, then that would definitely cause for a second look. But the way they work today, they don't even acknowledge it. I guess I was just a little irked by that post I replied to. I think what I was mostly thinking was basically that if it's not very probable that it can happen (boycotting to get them to stop selling it) then those Leos are dying for a lost cause and we can actually save them by just not allowing our hate for the store itself to cause us to allow them to die. I honestly don't think Petco will ever change their policies with Leos so I highly doubt the Leos dying today are dying for a cause. I don't know too much about PetSmart, but a friend who I knew worked there about 10 years ago said they worked just about the same way, but they follow supply and demand more closely.

I guess what I really meant to say in that paragraph you didn't agree with, all really had to do with Petco as I know what goes on behind closed doors there. One Leo sale out of ten is good enough for them to keep buying it. Sad, but that's how it works there. I guess I just don't think it's probable. And the reason being that not everyone goes on internet forums to read all the "don't buy there" posts. Not everyone reads books. And not everyone is online researching. It's all about US as people not being educated about it. So that's why I don't think it's probable. And even with the probability, it may be years down the road, and thousands of dead Leos. Thousands of Leos that could at least have a chance if even a clueless parent with a 5 year old kid bought it. That's a better chance than staying in the store.

 

[Allee Toler]

A "rescue" has nothing to do with money. It has to do with your actions. Whether free or $1000, when you take an animal into your care to take it away from bad conditions to give it a better future, you're rescuing it.

I agree with that. But I look at it more in my situation.

I'm adopted from Tula, Russia. I was in an orphanage. They PAID for me when they adopted me. But in retrospect, they rescued me from a horrible future. I'd probably be a druggy or homeless if I wasn't "rescued" by them.

 

[lifeshighways]

I agree with that. But I look at it more in my situation.

I'm adopted from Tula, Russia. I was in an orphanage. They PAID for me when they adopted me. But in retrospect, they rescued me from a horrible future. I'd probably be a druggy or homeless if I wasn't "rescued" by them.

AMEN!

Sometimes it does cost to rescue something...or in your case... someone!

 

[Allee Toler]

Me and my parents don't get along very well. But I still respect them and appreciate what they did for me. And they know I appreciate it. That's all they wanted.

I'm pretty much living on my own! Haha. They taught me not to need people. And I don't. I can function completely on my own. I pay for everything, except rent. Because I currently only work part time. Once I get out of school and go full time, I'll have to pay rent.