P. klemmeri in groups?
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jpmarcel
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I'll keep large groups of juveniles together but once the males begin to mature (around 5 months) they become aggressive and chase each other all day until the less dominate ones constantly hide deep in some bamboo.
In my experience males can be just as aggressive as other phelsuma. I tried mate swapping a few month ago and I had a male thrash a newly introduced female in a short amount of time. She is fine now but lost half her tale in the process. I have kept 1.2 together and they did fine but they were raised together from a young age.
I have read that some breeders have had good success keeping these in groups so maybe others will have a little more input.
In my experience males can be just as aggressive as other phelsuma. I tried mate swapping a few month ago and I had a male thrash a newly introduced female in a short amount of time. She is fine now but lost half her tale in the process. I have kept 1.2 together and they did fine but they were raised together from a young age.
I have read that some breeders have had good success keeping these in groups so maybe others will have a little more input.
PhelsumaUK
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More than one male is risky. Multiple females can work (doesn't always and the dynamics of the group can change without warning) but breeding won't be successful as with 1:1
sanderfrog
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I keep them only as pairs, I've seen too much trouble with groups of klemmeri.
regards Sander
regards Sander
jeroen de kruyk
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i currently have 3.5 , i have separated them into 2.4 and 1.1
my mom has got a big tank --> 80x40x80 cm......where i will put the 2.4 in.
the 1.1 will be my breeding pair in a tank with the of 25x40x60
for so far everything is going well, but i have to be carefull. and i will be.
regards,
jeroen
my mom has got a big tank --> 80x40x80 cm......where i will put the 2.4 in.
the 1.1 will be my breeding pair in a tank with the of 25x40x60
for so far everything is going well, but i have to be carefull. and i will be.
regards,
jeroen
Indeed, dont hold more males together bescause you'll end up in problems...
I keep 1.2 in a 80*45*70 cm enclosure with lots of plants and bamboo and lots of hiding spots, this threesome lives together peacefully already all their lives.
No problems here, i hope to breed with them next summer
How big was your tank? also provide multiple basking spots and more plants when fighting... mine are only 8 months old but have being raised togetheter as juveniles ;-)
70x50x80 with plenty of plants (it is like a jungle in there) and multiple basking sites.
And still you had real fighting???
Were those females sisters or not and have they been grown up together as juveniles?
No. Absolutely not related. Both females were between 5-7 months when purchased.
That is perhaps the difference with my trio...
My trio was raised together in a community tank of a breeder in the netherlands...
So they are all related?
perhaps not from the same nest but since their birth they were all raised in a community tank with other klemmeri's which makes them more social then klemmeris that are introduced towards eachother on a later age ?
Should be the only explanation unless my klemmeri starts fighting in a while, hope not...
Well hopefully you are lucky. It took mine awhile before they started to fight.
You should maybe try to find out if your trio of geckos are related. Offspring which are related often do not produce healthy offspring all the time.
I could ask the breeder, but then again, He had so much offspring mixing them up of klemmeri that it would be difficult to verify...
What I could do afterwards is to replace my male by a different male to 'refresh' the bloodlines...
In any case if there would occur fighting, I am going to seperate a female...
coupling her to a new male:biggrin:
I still have place to install a second terrarium...
I only like klemmeri since they are the most active phelsuma specie and they often show themselves without being shy in comparison with other species;-)
I see you keep kimhowelli as well...
are they shy? And how do they conduct themselves in comparison to klemmeri
I would like to keep williamsi as well but only CB and not for insane prices
Heh I agree klemmeri are some nice geckos. They are my faves also when it comes to phelsuma.
kimhowelli are not shy at all.... well I take that back I have one shy one currently, but that is because i recently moved it to a new tank. the one i have had now for the longest time is really friendly to the point where it will jump on my hand and come out to great me when i open the doors to its tank. they are a lot like klemmeri you will see them often and I actually do find them to be even a bit more bold than klemmeri.
williamsi are the same as kimhowelli, you will always see them, in fact you will pretty much always see any lygo out exploring.
wildvet
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Hi.
Don't put males together. It's just not a good idea and will 99,9% lead to fighting. Having said that, I keep my P. klemmeri in a 75x75x120cm tank (with heaps of plants), and the male chased a youngster around, which I presumed was a son. So I caught him and put him in another tank. Today, two months later, I incidently caught the other sibling of that pair of eggs, which is by now 6 months old and adolecsent. It was a male, too, but was never chased by his Daddy. Well, not until now, and since I removed him, there won't be any fighting.
No matter what you read in the internet (and I did read that crap somewhere that males of P. klemmeri can be kept together - maybe without females, but I wouldn't risk it), with phelsuma, you cannot keep two males in the same tank. Point.
Regards
berit
Don't put males together. It's just not a good idea and will 99,9% lead to fighting. Having said that, I keep my P. klemmeri in a 75x75x120cm tank (with heaps of plants), and the male chased a youngster around, which I presumed was a son. So I caught him and put him in another tank. Today, two months later, I incidently caught the other sibling of that pair of eggs, which is by now 6 months old and adolecsent. It was a male, too, but was never chased by his Daddy. Well, not until now, and since I removed him, there won't be any fighting.
No matter what you read in the internet (and I did read that crap somewhere that males of P. klemmeri can be kept together - maybe without females, but I wouldn't risk it), with phelsuma, you cannot keep two males in the same tank. Point.
Regards
berit