Thermostat/Tubs Question
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Allee Toler
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Asshole, much? Why quote me? Why say my advice is bad (assumed when you quoted me) and then turn around and say the same thing I said.
I can give my leo poison.
I can feed them insects from outside.
I can feed only once a month.
I can put them on calcisand.
I can hold them by their tail.
I can poke them with a knife.
I can kill them.
Does it mean I SHOULD????!!!
Think before you quote my ass next time. ESPECIALLY when it involves hyposhawn, someone who will take advice and do what you say. He doesn't need someone telling him the minimum, he needs it not mentioned to him at all. He needs to be told the correct way, not the half ass way.
Allee Toler
Member
I tell it like it is. If he did that to someone else, I would of posted the same thing.
CSMGecko
New member
I hear ya. Every time I come on here it seems Shawn is either giving bad or incorrect advice. Or in fact is recieving advice he is ready to hear yet. He needs to do a lot more research than he has in order to give advice. I wish that everyone would state things as opinion more than fact. I always try to or I try and cite references.
But seriously 15qt tubs are too small as permanent home for an adult leo much less a breeding enclosure.
But seriously 15qt tubs are too small as permanent home for an adult leo much less a breeding enclosure.
Allee Toler
Member
I use 15qt tubs for my adults as permanent homes. Hah. I use the rubbermaid clever store 15qt tubs. They're "new" and are only 5" high, so there's more floor space. If they weren't significantly wider than my old 15qt tubs, I wouldn't of gotten them. I have my 10" mack snow enigma dude in a 15qt rubbermaid tub and he's got tons of room.
CSMGecko
New member
I haven't seen those yet. The ones I have are the normal sterilite containers with the clips and while they are suitable for juvies and sub adults or even adults temperarily, I wouldn't want to house a breeder in one for permanant residence. Just my opinion though. Might change my mind if I see what your talking about next time I go to Target and get some tubs for my next rack. I kind of like to keep them in glass anyways so I can watch them for a little bit when they are active. And so they have more things to climb on and be adventurous.
Allee Toler
Member
Look what he just PM'd me. Lol.
"The information you provided was clearly not fact, and you were corrected. This happens from time to time, even the best of us get called out, get used to it.
If you feel this was a personal attack, you need to check your attitude, you were corrected nothing more nothing less.
Your vulgar language does not bother me in the slightest, I rather find it amusing, maybe just a bit rash.
Maurice Pudlo"
The tubs are nice. I can fit 3 hides, water dish, calcium, and a food dish in them with plenty of room still to move around.
"The information you provided was clearly not fact, and you were corrected. This happens from time to time, even the best of us get called out, get used to it.
If you feel this was a personal attack, you need to check your attitude, you were corrected nothing more nothing less.
Your vulgar language does not bother me in the slightest, I rather find it amusing, maybe just a bit rash.
Maurice Pudlo"
The tubs are nice. I can fit 3 hides, water dish, calcium, and a food dish in them with plenty of room still to move around.
MauricesExoticPets
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I feel bad for having to do this as well.
I suppose that some people would answer yes to this question, I on the other hand do not think so. It is a matter of opinion.
Mainly because you gave out untrue information.
Mainly because you gave out untrue information. I did not say the same thing you said.
Depends on what results you are looking for, I can think of several reasons to give my leopard geckos poison (internal parasites). Or to kill them (it is called euthanasia) when they are beyond all hope.
I always think when quoting someone, I will take particular care in quoting you in the future. I did not intend to harm your ego, only to inform you that you were very wrong on that particular point.
You lost every shred of respect with this statement.
The fact of the matter is that there is not a single correct way, each leopard gecko is as different as you or I, our very basic needs are similar but not exactly the same. I don't consider my methods of care to be at all half measures by any means, in fact I believe them to be far above the average.
For the sake of keeping things in context:
This is fact, pure and simple.
I should add that my house flooded and destroyed everything below 3'. My decision to move the leopard geckos to the hatchling racks was an emergency measure not one of space conservation or of being cheap.
My usual leopard gecko bin is the 28qt sterilite container. It is my opinion that anything smaller is unfit for use as leopard gecko housing. Nearly all of my leopard geckos are back in such containers, the few that are not will be within a week, possibly two at most.
Maurice Pudlo
Just curious. Why are you saying that you housed geckos in a 6 qt container and then say you shouldn't house in less than 28 qt container? It just seems to me like your saying something and then saying the opposite. And know I will not take advice from you in respect of my leopard geckos health. It's just ridiculous that you had to house several leopard geckos in a 6 qt tub. I don't mean to dis respect you but you have your ways and I have my ways of keeping and your trying to tell every one that your wrong. So anyway I can't beleive you WOULD poison your leo if you had to. You should not let go so easily. Remember when Allee saved Lu from death? Well you should be more like a willing to do something like that instead of just letting it go.
Riverside Reptiles
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Ehemmm...let's keep it on topic and friendly. Everyone's had their say now. Leave it at that.
ColdBlooded
New member
Okay, I'm not trying to be inflammatory here but did you read his response? His house was flooded and he didn't have a choice. It was emergency housing until he could get something else.
When he said he would 'poison' his gecko he was referring to dewormer. Deworming is a paste of pesticide, essentially.
As far as euthanasia goes, hyposhawn, you will eventually run into this as a breeder. Not all leos can be salvaged and it becomes a quality of life issue. Sometimes it is much kinder to put an animal out of it's misery rather than continue to let it live in pain. It's a hard decision.
Again, I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but is it really necessary to go nuts on the guy? He has his reasons, you don't have to agree with him and he certainly doesn't have to agree with you, either. It's no reason to throw a fit and it really just makes you look bad, IMO. You can either take his advice or leave it, as well as anyone else's.
As far as tubs go, my rack has tubs that have the floorspace of a 10 gallon tank (approximately). As far as quart sizes go, adults should probably be kept in 13 qt or larger. Hatchlings/juvies can be easily housed in a 6 qt tub.
Best of luck to you.
EDIT to Ethan and other MODS: sorry, I was writing the post when the warning was posted. My bad :S
Allee Toler
Member
Hyposhawn, Lu is doing great! btw. =D Kind of random.
He now has brain damage which effects his growth, only at 22g at 6 months old. But he eats at least 10 crickets a week and 8 1/2" long. Very active at night, and strong willed. I don't have a major attachment to him, but I love him none the less. He's my leo, and it's my responsibility to give them the best life I can.
He's living happily in a 15qt tub!
He now has brain damage which effects his growth, only at 22g at 6 months old. But he eats at least 10 crickets a week and 8 1/2" long. Very active at night, and strong willed. I don't have a major attachment to him, but I love him none the less. He's my leo, and it's my responsibility to give them the best life I can.
He's living happily in a 15qt tub!
MauricesExoticPets
New member
Edit, I type much slower than warnings.
Maurice Pudlo
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T-ReXx
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I'm just gonna add my 2 cents about the original question:
If you only have 3 leos I don't think you really need to start your breeding project in tubs. Tubs are for those who have too many animals to fill their house with tanks. I would do this: get a 20 gal long tank for your two females and a 10 gal for your male. Setup nice display tanks where you can watch and learn leo behavior. Get a small rack with 6 quart boxes to raise your first batch of hatchlings. As they grow, construct a larger rack for your soon-to-be adults. There are different opinions on what to keep adults in. I've been switching to the 15 qt Rubbermaid cleverstores that Allie mentioned and I agree they are fine for single adults. I use single-animal-introduction method breeding, placing a female in the male's tub for 36 hours and then returning her to her own tub. You can keep adults singly in larger tubs, as big as you want really, but nothing smaller than a 15 quart imo. I prefer single animal introduction as it gives you a better handle on parents, laying records, feeding, etc and is less stressful for the females. But you can also do group breeding if you prefer that method. In this case keep 2-4 females in a 28 quart+ size tub and introduce a male for some period of time. You will still want a smaller bachelor pad for the male in case he gets too aggressive with your females, you want to prevent breeding, a leo gets sick and you need to quarentine, etc. If you're just getting started with breeding I would recommend single animal introduction to start with. Leopard geckos are hardy and versatile, they will live and breed in smaller tubs but that doesn't mean it's the right way to go. And before you start breeding, just be sure you know exactly what your plans are for the hatchlings.
Just my 2 cents.
If you only have 3 leos I don't think you really need to start your breeding project in tubs. Tubs are for those who have too many animals to fill their house with tanks. I would do this: get a 20 gal long tank for your two females and a 10 gal for your male. Setup nice display tanks where you can watch and learn leo behavior. Get a small rack with 6 quart boxes to raise your first batch of hatchlings. As they grow, construct a larger rack for your soon-to-be adults. There are different opinions on what to keep adults in. I've been switching to the 15 qt Rubbermaid cleverstores that Allie mentioned and I agree they are fine for single adults. I use single-animal-introduction method breeding, placing a female in the male's tub for 36 hours and then returning her to her own tub. You can keep adults singly in larger tubs, as big as you want really, but nothing smaller than a 15 quart imo. I prefer single animal introduction as it gives you a better handle on parents, laying records, feeding, etc and is less stressful for the females. But you can also do group breeding if you prefer that method. In this case keep 2-4 females in a 28 quart+ size tub and introduce a male for some period of time. You will still want a smaller bachelor pad for the male in case he gets too aggressive with your females, you want to prevent breeding, a leo gets sick and you need to quarentine, etc. If you're just getting started with breeding I would recommend single animal introduction to start with. Leopard geckos are hardy and versatile, they will live and breed in smaller tubs but that doesn't mean it's the right way to go. And before you start breeding, just be sure you know exactly what your plans are for the hatchlings.
Just my 2 cents.